hi newlife. there are people on this site who think they are perfect, know everything, and should never be dis-agreed with. they will attack you, call you false teacher, lover of sin, and so on. so be ready for that when you post. they have their own version of truth and do not like plain Biblical truth.
Which laws are and are not valid?
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you mean like this? 
For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. (Gal 2:19-21)
For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. (Gal 2:19-21)
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thanks gb9 your post reminded me of a movie I saw long ago which I,m not sure if I,d watch today, but it was Jerry McGuire. I'm not sure if you have seen the movie but there is a part where he gets fired and he knew he had the stuff to make it in his career so the famous scene was when he was about to leave the office and he asked everyone "who is coming with me?" lol
View the laws with spiritual understanding. Jesus taught in parables for that very reason so we could understand the spiritual application to its physical reality. Look at the law of leprosy in relation to a dwelling place, (Leviticus 14) and see the cleansing power of our High Priest Jesus Christ. It all fits. Paul said that the law is spiritual, so that's the way we should see it because we are living in the New Covenant as he was teaching.
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Matthew4Jesus I'm and just trying to help you in your walk with God. I never said the law wasn't spiritual. That being said we must not brush off scripture that tells us that the law was written for those under the law. And that the law is not written for the righteous, but for the ungodly. Romans 3:19, 1 Timothy 1:9, respectfully. Please do not mistake my posts as quarrels I'm trying to show this man the narrow road under much opposition.
What intrigues me about all this ...
21st Century Christians do not run around advocating slavery, sacrificing lambs, the stoning of adulterers, killing homosexuals etc etc (all parts of 'The Law')
but cling zealously to the 'Ten Commandments'.
Pick-and-choose the bits we like and the bits we don't ? Who decides ?
21st Century Christians do not run around advocating slavery, sacrificing lambs, the stoning of adulterers, killing homosexuals etc etc (all parts of 'The Law')
but cling zealously to the 'Ten Commandments'.
Pick-and-choose the bits we like and the bits we don't ? Who decides ?
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I have absolutely no idea what that means.
But remember, dear Ember, the words of St. Elvis
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The very first thing that all believers need to build upon are the words of God, and the words that Jesus spoke to Satan quoting those words from His Father. When we totally accept this foundation, we will be better equipped to know the truth, rather than picking and choosing, making up fictitious doctrines according to what we want the Bible to say. These words are as follows;
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
Some might say that Israel only heard God speak in Exodus chapter 20. This is true, but God continued to speak through Moses and the prophets. This is proven true by what Jesus told the Pharisees.
John 5:45-47
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
Some might say that Israel only heard God speak in Exodus chapter 20. This is true, but God continued to speak through Moses and the prophets. This is proven true by what Jesus told the Pharisees.
John 5:45-47
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
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I'm sorry but anybody who is disagreeing with my posts are not disagreeing with me but are disagreeing with scripture because that is all I have been posting. I'm signing off on this posts kind of like Paul did in the book of Galatians ( which by the way is devoted to this very topic pretty much) please do not bother me about this again because I have scars in my life from being a servant of Christ.
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Jesus fulfilled the 613 laws. They were placed outside the ark and would be spiked with blood and was a witness against the people. Jesus blood covers the 613 Laws we find in the Torah. And we can see how he fulfills them by comparison of the Laws and Jesus side by side. The 10 Commandments were established since the beginning pretty much. With that in mind, they are still valid. They show us what sin is. Jesus coming only raised the standard for them.
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You ask a dangerous question. I've been on here only a few months and noticed there is a constant battle between: follow parts, follow all, and not follow period. You're going to get multiple different answers asking this question. The best thing to do is study the scripture, and pray for guidance from Yeshua and the Holy Spirit as you study.
When I started my actual walk (about 10-11 years after "being saved") before I did any studying I would read Ephesians 6:10-20 (the armor of God) out loud, and as silly as it sounds as I read it out loud I would act if I was actually putting the armor on, (still do this today). And then I would pray that only truth would be shown to me and if there is any twistings from the enemy that it would fall dead from my thoughts. Now the reason behind this is that our battle is not just in the flesh but the spirit, and when we come to the Messiah and start to search after His truth, you are declaring war on the enemy. So you want to make sure that you're well defended when going into studying scripture, because the enemy can easily take something and twist it to his liking.
When I started my actual walk (about 10-11 years after "being saved") before I did any studying I would read Ephesians 6:10-20 (the armor of God) out loud, and as silly as it sounds as I read it out loud I would act if I was actually putting the armor on, (still do this today). And then I would pray that only truth would be shown to me and if there is any twistings from the enemy that it would fall dead from my thoughts. Now the reason behind this is that our battle is not just in the flesh but the spirit, and when we come to the Messiah and start to search after His truth, you are declaring war on the enemy. So you want to make sure that you're well defended when going into studying scripture, because the enemy can easily take something and twist it to his liking.
You will be getting many different answers, some even claiming you should follow all the Mosaic law of the old covenant, but which the new covenant has clearly set aside.
However, God temporarily added (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant the laws he gave to Moses, given as the basis for the old covenant--as a tutor to teach his people the meaning of sin, of unrighteousness, of holiness/godliness until the Seed to whom the Promise of the Abrahamic covenant referred had come.
When the Promise (Christ) came, which the law had been given as a tutor to show and reveal,
he fulfilled (accomplished, completed, finished) the law (Mt 5:17); i.e.,
accomplishing the purpose for which it was given,
completing its work,
finishing the need for it as a tutor to reveal the coming Promise, and
setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19) as the way of justification/salvation,
abolishing it (Eph 2:15), and cancelling its curse (Col 2:14) for imperfect obedience.
Now in the new covenant (Lk 22:20), which is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant of the Promise
(of Jesus Christ--Ge 12:3, and of an everlasting possession--Ge 13:15, 15:18-21),
justification/salvation is through faith by grace, not by righteous deeds (Eph 2:8-9).
And righteousness/sanctification is by the Holy Spirit through the obedience of faith to the new covenant commands, found throughout the NT starting with Mt 22:37-40.
Those in Christ are under the new covenant commands only.
However, God temporarily added (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant the laws he gave to Moses, given as the basis for the old covenant--as a tutor to teach his people the meaning of sin, of unrighteousness, of holiness/godliness until the Seed to whom the Promise of the Abrahamic covenant referred had come.
When the Promise (Christ) came, which the law had been given as a tutor to show and reveal,
he fulfilled (accomplished, completed, finished) the law (Mt 5:17); i.e.,
accomplishing the purpose for which it was given,
completing its work,
finishing the need for it as a tutor to reveal the coming Promise, and
setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19) as the way of justification/salvation,
abolishing it (Eph 2:15), and cancelling its curse (Col 2:14) for imperfect obedience.
Now in the new covenant (Lk 22:20), which is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant of the Promise
(of Jesus Christ--Ge 12:3, and of an everlasting possession--Ge 13:15, 15:18-21),
justification/salvation is through faith by grace, not by righteous deeds (Eph 2:8-9).
And righteousness/sanctification is by the Holy Spirit through the obedience of faith to the new covenant commands, found throughout the NT starting with Mt 22:37-40.
Those in Christ are under the new covenant commands only.
As the law you are required to keep is written on your mind and placed on your heart under the new covenant, the answer to your question is, you have a conscience when you break the law that is valid for you today. If the true Christian does not have a conscience concerning failing to keep any ot law, that law is not valid for them to observe today