When does the rapture occur?
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Pays to know the word.
Might interest you to know "the word of God"& "Jesus " are interchangeable.
IOW they do not conflict.
So "God told me he will soon take his hand off his pple",would not impress a believer that has read this;
"7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"
So,it says right there,the AC is given power over the saints.
All left behind die.......period.
So,yes his hand will be lifted off his church. You are right..
Might interest you to know "the word of God"& "Jesus " are interchangeable.
IOW they do not conflict.
So "God told me he will soon take his hand off his pple",would not impress a believer that has read this;
"7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"
So,it says right there,the AC is given power over the saints.
All left behind die.......period.
So,yes his hand will be lifted off his church. You are right..
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Jesus said "lest you are born again you CAN NOT enter the kingdom.
I am only a reprter,not an explainer....so take it up with him.
There are many spiritual laws that apply to us humans.
The tendency we all have to break those laws will end at the receiving of the glorified bodies.
Our salvation is God's bit,not our ability to be and stay holy and sinless. The true testimony of any of us is that we repent and he does not reject us due to covenent and family.
You should never try to make a stand on your own virtue,holiness,or impressiveness.
If you ever encounter the living God your first impression will be what those of the bible had.It will bow you down to your knees,everytime
I am only a reprter,not an explainer....so take it up with him.
There are many spiritual laws that apply to us humans.
The tendency we all have to break those laws will end at the receiving of the glorified bodies.
Our salvation is God's bit,not our ability to be and stay holy and sinless. The true testimony of any of us is that we repent and he does not reject us due to covenent and family.
You should never try to make a stand on your own virtue,holiness,or impressiveness.
If you ever encounter the living God your first impression will be what those of the bible had.It will bow you down to your knees,everytime
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Are we really going nit pick some more?
While we are on the subject, there are multiple layers to being born again. I thought I was born again as a teenager growing up. Maybe I was, but Jesus says he who loves this life more then me will lose it, while anyone who hates this world will keep it. He is the God of the living. Have you died to the world, and come up through the eye of the Needle?
There were those that came "into the way" through another method. These were heretics.
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THIS FOR EVERY BELIEVER,
(the book used to be REQUIRED for almost alll bible colledges.)....it will change you for life.
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Well I knew that would happen. What confounds me is that he spoke into my heart the when-a-bouts of that happening. Personally I am split. Half of me hopes that I am wrong and that it was just my imagination the other half refuses to let go of the possibility. So I am anxiously waiting for this year to end so my mind can be at ease. The last thing I want is to be a false prophet. But to keep secret that which I believe God may have parted on my soul is an equivalent sin.
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Time will tell.
2 things;
1) If God spoke to you,then never let me or anyone steal his precious word from you.
2)In the prophetic realm ,the realm you have stepped into,there is tons of anamosity and persecution by believers.
All you are rquired to do is speak what you saw or heard. Most will not recieve it.But say it anyway.Just know that his word confirms his rhema voice.
(most folks on this forum are hostile to the prophetic).......just sayin
2 things;
1) If God spoke to you,then never let me or anyone steal his precious word from you.
2)In the prophetic realm ,the realm you have stepped into,there is tons of anamosity and persecution by believers.
All you are rquired to do is speak what you saw or heard. Most will not recieve it.But say it anyway.Just know that his word confirms his rhema voice.
(most folks on this forum are hostile to the prophetic).......just sayin
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Oh! I'm so sorry if I came across like that. Please don't misunderstand. There is only one way to redemption: the gift of grace through God's sacrifice of His Son, Jesus. Without sacrifice no one gets to be redeemed so Christ gave it to all. But He can't help anyone who doesn't ask for help. Or it may be more accurate to say He won't.
That being said, God does speak in more ways than words on a page and most people seem to forget that. Due to all the false prophets in history gaining such notoriety anyone who actually hears from God directly is practically shunned by the world, the Christian community especially. I'm just sharing what God impressed on my heart as a burden and has used events as well as messages from family, friends, and church, even from my pastors. Am I right? I don't know. And I won't until it does/doesn't come to pass.
That being said, God does speak in more ways than words on a page and most people seem to forget that. Due to all the false prophets in history gaining such notoriety anyone who actually hears from God directly is practically shunned by the world, the Christian community especially. I'm just sharing what God impressed on my heart as a burden and has used events as well as messages from family, friends, and church, even from my pastors. Am I right? I don't know. And I won't until it does/doesn't come to pass.
AMEN, ONLY ONE WAY, through the Narrow Gate of being Repentant and willingly receiving HIM as LORD meaning MASTER, which spawns out of the LOVE of GOD that was poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. (Rom. 5:5)
Every one of those on the Broad Road to Destruction, think they are Christians, but they came the wrong way and are headed the wrong way.
Matthew 7:13-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:21-27 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
[SUP]25 [/SUP] and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
[SUP]27 [/SUP] and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
You're a real classy guy, VCO.
That Speak hit and run?
Yeah what a waste of time it is on that thread........hey, l know a better, more productive way to spend my time?!!!!???
I'll come on here and argue OPINIONS over an event that's never gonna happen!!!!!
THIS is what the Lord wants!!!!!
Sad.
Of course this is the BDF, so if you want to discuss the rapture and how its not gonna happen, or a 1000 year reign ,or 7 yr Tribs, pre mid post, antiChrists.......we can go PM.
I can prove no rapture (or anything you have been slinging) using scripture only, no commentary.... but it might take a few hundred verses in order. Proper time.
This rapture topic isnt an opinion if or if not, it is a lie, actually....l will show you just flat out, plain verses that will destroy any rapture doctrine.
A few authors couldn't debate it...you up for it? Sadly....they kept their books on the shelves. Pride and money over truth.
You call everyone out, claiming they are just babies.....well, grab your bottle sir, because what l've read from you, tells me, you need some nursing too.
Now....l don't want to crowd this thread....and l have nothing to prove with the public watching.
.........that is ,unless you like mans approval?
This could take awhile.
That Speak hit and run?
Yeah what a waste of time it is on that thread........hey, l know a better, more productive way to spend my time?!!!!???
I'll come on here and argue OPINIONS over an event that's never gonna happen!!!!!
THIS is what the Lord wants!!!!!
Sad.
Of course this is the BDF, so if you want to discuss the rapture and how its not gonna happen, or a 1000 year reign ,or 7 yr Tribs, pre mid post, antiChrists.......we can go PM.
I can prove no rapture (or anything you have been slinging) using scripture only, no commentary.... but it might take a few hundred verses in order. Proper time.
This rapture topic isnt an opinion if or if not, it is a lie, actually....l will show you just flat out, plain verses that will destroy any rapture doctrine.
A few authors couldn't debate it...you up for it? Sadly....they kept their books on the shelves. Pride and money over truth.
You call everyone out, claiming they are just babies.....well, grab your bottle sir, because what l've read from you, tells me, you need some nursing too.
Now....l don't want to crowd this thread....and l have nothing to prove with the public watching.
.........that is ,unless you like mans approval?
This could take awhile.
I don't buy into the popular Dispensationalist Eschatology System, but there is virtue in it.
Even if it is wrong, the priority is good: be spiritually prepared today!
The salvation of God's People is both physical AND spiritual. The division is gone between the two. Our spiritual salvation is also a physical one. The People of God are both physical and spiritual. There is no Jew or Gentile in this. It is One Salvation. The Millenium is for the Church, because the Book of Revelation is addressed to the Church.
None will enter that Kingdom who are not in Christ.
Any who use Malachi and Zechariah to counter that point need to view such passages through the Word revealed to us by Christ.
We are "those who gain victory with God", which is the meaning of "Israel". All those who believe God, New or Old Testement, are found in Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF5-MpVNfwc [video=youtube;TF5-MpVNfwc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF5-MpVNfwc[/video]
Even if it is wrong, the priority is good: be spiritually prepared today!
The salvation of God's People is both physical AND spiritual. The division is gone between the two. Our spiritual salvation is also a physical one. The People of God are both physical and spiritual. There is no Jew or Gentile in this. It is One Salvation. The Millenium is for the Church, because the Book of Revelation is addressed to the Church.
None will enter that Kingdom who are not in Christ.
Any who use Malachi and Zechariah to counter that point need to view such passages through the Word revealed to us by Christ.
We are "those who gain victory with God", which is the meaning of "Israel". All those who believe God, New or Old Testement, are found in Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF5-MpVNfwc [video=youtube;TF5-MpVNfwc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF5-MpVNfwc[/video]
NO, it will take only one post. You are free to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe you will go through the Great Tribulation, you will get to, and it is no skin off my nose. I do not post to beat people from an apposing point into believing my way, nor do I care to examine any so called proof of an opposing point of view that you want to show me. I post to validate to younger Evangelical minded believers, that our Doctrinal Beliefs can be biblically supported. It does not matter to me one bit, if you get mad and object to every scripture that I post. I am quite content to agree to disagree with you.
I do have one question though that I would like to ask you. Why do you get so upset, when I post what the word of GOD actually says?
Oh, and by the way, you seem to want instant responses; but I have way better things to do with my time to serve the LORD than to stay glued to a continuous ongoing online conversation. I try to check the threads that I am involved in somewhat daily, but frequently it is two or three days before I can spare the time to check them.
Don't flatter yourself.
I knew where to find you....l clicked and what do you know....you were here.
Take your time , trust me, l am in no rush to read your posts.
I have no problem with you posting scripture, l have a problem with you twisting it to fit your stance.
Which you do.
If you want to teach your opinion as fact ,and believe it's completely okay to do so....then do it.
Open forum.....people can not stop someone from doing such.
Just be polite to others who are polite back....
You came into that Speak thread, and we were cool to you.....knowing how you were like even.......and thats how you treat us?
If your sandbox is empty here with others to play with, don't stroll into other threads where people are minding their own business ,and kick sand around.
Have some class, those people aren't hurting you, its none of your business how that thread is handled.
If you're bored......wait around here....someone with numbers attached to their screen name will be here shortly
........and you all can debate on who is more self righteous.
Do tell me who wins on that one.....
I knew where to find you....l clicked and what do you know....you were here.
Take your time , trust me, l am in no rush to read your posts.
I have no problem with you posting scripture, l have a problem with you twisting it to fit your stance.
Which you do.
If you want to teach your opinion as fact ,and believe it's completely okay to do so....then do it.
Open forum.....people can not stop someone from doing such.
Just be polite to others who are polite back....
You came into that Speak thread, and we were cool to you.....knowing how you were like even.......and thats how you treat us?
If your sandbox is empty here with others to play with, don't stroll into other threads where people are minding their own business ,and kick sand around.
Have some class, those people aren't hurting you, its none of your business how that thread is handled.
If you're bored......wait around here....someone with numbers attached to their screen name will be here shortly
........and you all can debate on who is more self righteous.
Do tell me who wins on that one.....
SolidGround, I agree with most of what you said, but I would have phrased your comment on the Millennium a little differently. First of all, I would not have used the word CHURCH, because it is not in the Greek New Testament. The Greek actually uses the word Assembly, when Jesus said He would built His Assembly.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Why do I think that is important over and above the Word CHURCH? Because it leaves out the first half of the Assembly He is building.
Psalm 40:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I did not hide Your righteousness in my heart; I spoke about Your faithfulness and salvation; I did not conceal Your constant love and truth from the great assembly.
Psalm 111:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Praise the LORD! I will give thanks to the LORD with all my heart, In the company of the upright and in the assembly.
Psalm 40:10 (YLT)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Thy righteousness I have not concealed In the midst of my heart, Thy faithfulness and Thy salvation I have told, I have not hidden Thy kindness and Thy truth, To the great assembly.
Ezekiel 13:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
I believe that the LORD has been building HIS Assembly starting with Adam. No not everyone sitting in a House of GOD is a member of the Assembly that He is building; but faith cometh by hearing the Word of GOD taught. That is why we leave the phonies there, because maybe they will eventually HEAR with spiritual understanding and become genuine believers.
My understanding is:
OT Saints believed that God would send the Messiah, and they were willing to submit to HIM as Lord.
NT Saints believe that God did send the Messiah, and they are willing to submit to HIM as Lord.
It is the SAME FAITH of the SAME Assembly that HE is building. It is the Faith of Abraham.
Therefore, the Millennium is for the immortal resurrected Assembly, and for the mortal 144,000 Jews as a continuation of the everlasting Covenant with GOD that gave them the Land of Canaan as an everlasting inheritance.
