Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[popeye]

Behe makes my biggest objection to the CONCEPT OF EVOLUTION. Where is the "decider" in the organism/animal that makes a DECISION to mutate/create BENEFICIALLY

[video=youtube;Z_P5YFVU6q4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_P5YFVU6q4[/video]

 

[JackH]

[video=youtube;F4uJ6y5Y29g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4uJ6y5Y29g[/video]

Evolutionists are real jokes.
Pure conjecture,and wishfull thinking.

One more time.

Behe took his "science" to court and was debunked.

Do I really have to again post excerpts from the court decision?

The other guy, Stephen Meyer, was listed as an expert witness for the YECs, but he withdrew before being deposed.

I wonder why?

He was probably worried about being humiliated, which is what happened to Behe.

 

[JackH]

Behe makes my biggest objection to the CONCEPT OF EVOLUTION

Michael Behe even made the book The Encylopaedia of Liars and Deceivers you know:


"The trial turned into a tortuous ordeal for Behe and co. Accustomed only to preaching to the converted, the creationists were at a loss to answer every critical question. After six weeks of humiliation, Jones 139-page report was the final blow. The judge had nothing good to say about the creationists' testimonies. Besides their tendency to lie under oath, they also presented a distorted view of the facts . . . Behe's career never really recovered after the trial."


Hey popeye, and you'll never guess who said in the trial that astrology is a science.

 

[JackH]

Ross believes the flood was local,and no wonder you love him. He is a heretic.

I'm still waiting for you to prove the flood was global.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that Hugh Ross is a heretic.

I'm still waiting for you to prove anything you have said.

Like what you said about Michael Behe.

Does the Septuagint (LXX) indicate that the flood was global?

You know, the LXX, the Scripture that Jesus and the apostles quoted from.

Not that Jesus and the apostles didn't also quote from the Hebrew.

But Josephus and many in the early Church used the LXX for the chronology.

And the LXX does not give you 6,000 years.

 

[jamie26301]

Some YEC Christians don't seem to fond of Behe:

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2555

 

[kodiak]

A simple question for you:

Do you believe that man walked on the moon?

Yes...or...no?

I have no clue where you are going with this. I studied aerospace for at least 4 years. Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings. You may want to take a look at his view of evolution.

 

[JackH]

I have no clue where you are going with this. I studied aerospace for at least 4 years. Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings. You may want to take a look at his view of evolution.

Do you think that Werhner von Braun was a Young Earth Creationist?

 

[kodiak]

Do you think that Werhner von Braun was a Young Earth Creationist?

I don't really care what his beliefs are on the age of the earth. He said something that makes a lot of sense. He said that the reason science is great is because of various views and that being taught to believe one thing was against science. He believes creationism should be taught in schools too, because it helps prevent people from overlooking information. That is what he believes helped NASA reach the moon, trying not to overlook anything.

 

[JackH]

I don't really care what his beliefs are on the age of the earth. He said something that makes a lot of sense. He said that the reason science is great is because of various views and that being taught to believe one thing was against science. He believes creationism should be taught in schools too, because it helps prevent people from overlooking information. That is what he believes helped NASA reach the moon, trying not to overlook anything.

Why wouldn't you care what he believed about the age of the earth?

When you apparently respect him a great deal and care about what he believed on other subjects.

Do you think Werhner von Braun believed that Young Earth Creationism should be taught in schools?

"Creationism" can be interpreted in different ways.

Old Earth Creationism and Theistic Evolution maintain there was a Creator.

 

[Galahad]

You apparently missed my point.

I could generally care less what posts somebody "Likes" or who got an "A" on a college paper.

What I do take issue with is when somebody is discussing an issue, takes a position, and then "Likes" a post that totally contradicts what that somebody said.

Like kodiak did.

Of course you ignored the question I asked you, which was:

"Do you agree with Angela or do you agree with the YEC websites and Kodiak?"

The issue being whether or not Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Septuagint.

Kodiak said it never happened.

You missed my point. Dingo.

I could careless whether you careless or not.

You missed the obvious point.

 

[kodiak]

Why wouldn't you care what he believed about the age of the earth?

When you apparently respect him a great deal and care about what he believed on other subjects.

Do you think Werhner von Braun believed that Young Earth Creationism should be taught in schools?

"Creationism" can be interpreted in different ways.

Old Earth Creationism and Theistic Evolution maintain there was a Creator.

I don't need validation by knowing what others believe. What others believe does not change the truth, truth is objective not subjective. I believe the Bible is true. Your favorite question is "what version?" The only change between versions would be anywhere from 6,000-10,000 years old. I believe the Bible to be the word of God and if it is wrong, then everything else in it can be scrutinized as being wrong. It becomes a slippery slope. I am out of this thread and I wish you the best in your Christian walk. God bless.

 

[JackH]

What others believe does not change the truth, truth is objective not subjective. I believe the Bible is true. Your favorite question is "what version?" The only change between versions would be anywhere from 6,000-10,000 years old.

What I don't understand is why YECs try so hard to prove scientifically that the earth et al is around 6,000 years old.

YECs can not make an intelligent argument scientifically for a 6,000-year-old earth, a global flood, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

YECs just make themselves look foolish when they attempt to do so.

You may believe the Bible is true, but you can not point to what Bible, specifically, is without error.

Can you?

Or any of you other YECs?

 

[popeye]

What I don't understand is why YECs try so hard to prove scientifically that the earth et al is around 6,000 years old.

YECs can not make an intelligent argument scientifically for a 6,000-year-old earth, a global flood, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

YECs just make themselves look foolish when they attempt to do so.

You may believe the Bible is true, but you can not point to what Bible, specifically, is without error.

Can you?

Or any of you other YECs?

Just admit it. You have never even explored the evidence. And when we present our side you attack whoever wrote the article or made the discovery.

Hate to say it this way,but you sir, are INVINCIBLY IGNORANT.

 

[popeye]

You see , Jack,I,and any other YEC are PERMITTED to explore your side freely and openly. So easy,although tedious to hear the boggus propaganda.

You can not and will not explore ANY evidence that upsets your air castle beliefs and faith,yes unwaving 100% COMMITED faith in your Godless necessity for an old earth. That is in fact a spirit operating within you.

That is WHY there is no intellegent conversing with you.

 

[popeye]

I'm still waiting for you to prove the flood was global.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that Hugh Ross is a heretic.

I'm still waiting for you to prove anything you have said.

Like what you said about Michael Behe.

Does the Septuagint (LXX) indicate that the flood was global?

You know, the LXX, the Scripture that Jesus and the apostles quoted from.

Not that Jesus and the apostles didn't also quote from the Hebrew.

But Josephus and many in the early Church used the LXX for the chronology.

And the LXX does not give you 6,000 years.

Lets see if the medicine goes down the same way for dr jack.

"Don't be lazy,look it up in wiki"

 

[JackH]

Some YEC Christians don't seem to fond of Behe:

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2555

Hey popeye,

What do you make of this?

It would appear that your prodigal son Behe who YECs had testify as an expert witness isn't even a YEC. If you believe that YEC website.

Something is amiss here.

That's like a YEC saying he/she never talked to a rock that was more than 6,000 years old.

 

[JackH]

Just admit it. You have never even explored the evidence. And when we present our side you attack whoever wrote the article or made the discovery.

I explore the evidence at museums like the Carnegie in Pittsburgh.

Great dinosaur exhibit there.

And do you know what? The Carnegie does not have a dinosaur with a saddle on it like you find at Ken Ham's museum.

I also have read the federal court decisions pertaining to the issues being discussed. The expert witness testimony for the YECs under oath and subject to cross-examination is often quite amusing.

I also suspect that I have read more articles at YEC propaganda websites like ICR, AIG, and CMI than most of the YECs who have posted on this thread.

I just read two more articles at ICR and AIG about Werhner von Braun, who kodiak brought up yesterday.

Do you think that Werhner von Braun was a YEC?

 

[Bowman]

I have no clue where you are going with this. I studied aerospace for at least 4 years. Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings. You may want to take a look at his view of evolution.

My question was a 'yes'...or 'no' question.

It has absolutely no link to evolution.

Again...

Do you believe that man walked on the moon...?

 

[Bowman]

I don't really care what his beliefs are on the age of the earth. He said something that makes a lot of sense. He said that the reason science is great is because of various views and that being taught to believe one thing was against science. He believes creationism should be taught in schools too, because it helps prevent people from overlooking information. That is what he believes helped NASA reach the moon, trying not to overlook anything.

Your reluctance to replying to a 'yes' or 'no' question is painfully obvious, as you know that if you reply 'no' then this places you in the 'flat-earth' category of ignorance....and if you reply 'yes', then you MUST agree with the Billions-of-year-old-Universe science which allowed man to walk on the moon in the first place.

Your only alternative is to agree that man walked on the moon - but then to deny the very science that put him there in the first place.

This is commonly called willful ignorance...

 

[kodiak]

I don't need validation by knowing what others believe. What others believe does not change the truth, truth is objective not subjective. I believe the Bible is true. Your favorite question is "what version?" The only change between versions would be anywhere from 6,000-10,000 years old. I believe the Bible to be the word of God and if it is wrong, then everything else in it can be scrutinized as being wrong. It becomes a slippery slope.

What I don't understand is why YECs try so hard to prove scientifically that the earth et al is around 6,000 years old.

YECs can not make an intelligent argument scientifically for a 6,000-year-old earth, a global flood, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

YECs just make themselves look foolish when they attempt to do so.

You may believe the Bible is true, but you can not point to what Bible, specifically, is without error.

Can you?

Or any of you other YECs?

We are discussing the Bible right now, not science.

Show me a Bible that when we use the genealogies indicates the earth is billions of years old. Do they all indicate somewhere between 6,000-10,000 years old? What is your view of 2 Peter 3:6? Doesn't it indicate global flood? Jesus even mentions that the flood wiped everyone away......
What Bible do you believe, or do you discredit every Bible?

I have no clue where you are going with this. I studied aerospace for at least 4 years. Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings. You may want to take a look at his view of evolution.

Your reluctance to replying to a 'yes' or 'no' question is painfully obvious, as you know that if you reply 'no' then this places you in the 'flat-earth' category of ignorance....and if you reply 'yes', then you MUST agree with the Billions-of-year-old-Universe science which allowed man to walk on the moon in the first place.

Your only alternative is to agree that man walked on the moon - but then to deny the very science that put him there in the first place.

This is commonly called willful ignorance...

Strawman
I answered the question......I explained that I believed man walked on the moon, but I refuted the belief that that evolution science is what caused man to walk on the moon....

If you read what I wrote.
"Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings." This indicates that I believe the moon landing. Then I indicate that he said it was because they didn't strictly believe just one thing. They didn't want to overlook anything, which is why he believes that just one view should not be taught.
Today science tries to say evolution is the only logical theory for the universe, yet you all have admitted macro-evolution makes no sense and you don't understand it.
Get your facts straight.
I don't deny the science that got them there, I reject the science behind the old earth....which are two different things. If not, explain what the age of the earth has to do with a rocket....