When does the rapture occur?

[SilverFanng]

Taking one's truth from one's subjective personal impressions is a cutting loose from the moorings of Scripture as the source of truth, which will be the basis of the great apostasy.

But that isn't what I have done. I have listened to God and when he tells me something I spend months comparing it to scripture to find if it is truly from him.

 

[Elin]

Time will tell.

2 things;
1) If God spoke to you,then never let me or anyone steal his precious word from you.

2)In the prophetic realm ,the realm you have stepped into,there is tons of anamosity and persecution by believers.
All you are rquired to do is speak what you saw or heard. Most will not recieve it.But say it anyway.Just know that his word confirms his rhema voice.

(most folks on this forum are hostile to the prophetic).......just sayin

What the "prophets" speak will always agree with the NT word of God written.

That is the plumb line by which they must be measured for truth.

How does he know it will be this year?

 

[Elin]

Oh! I'm so sorry if I came across like that. Please don't misunderstand. There is only one way to redemption: the gift of grace through God's sacrifice of His Son, Jesus. Without sacrifice no one gets to be redeemed so Christ gave it to all. But He can't help anyone who doesn't ask for help. Or it may be more accurate to say He won't.

That being said, God does speak in more ways than words on a page and most people seem to forget that. Due to all the false prophets in history gaining such notoriety anyone who actually hears from God directly is practically shunned by the world, the Christian community especially. I'm just sharing what God impressed on my heart as a burden and has used events as well as messages from family, friends, and church, even from my pastors. Am I right? I don't know. And I won't until it does/doesn't come to pass.

How do you know the end of this year is the deadline?

 

[Elin]

In the book,Pilgrims Promise,the dynamics of salvation,are addressed,as welll as herasies illustrated through bunyon's dream.

There were those that came "into the way" through another method. These were heretics.

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THIS FOR EVERY BELIEVER,
(the book used to be REQUIRED for almost alll bible colledges.)....it will change you for life.

Pilgrim's Promise?

 

[Elin]

SolidGround, I agree with most of what you said, but I would have phrased your comment on the Millennium a little differently. First of all, I would not have used the word CHURCH, because it is not in the Greek New Testament. The Greek actually uses the word Assembly, when Jesus said He would built His Assembly.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Actually, it is "called-out assembly."

In the OT, Israel was a congregation (edah; qahal--assembly), translated into the Greek as sunagoge.
The NT church is ekklesia--called-out assembly.

Why do I think that is important over and above
the Word CHURCH? Because it
leaves out the first half of the Assembly He is building.

No, it does not. . .in Heb 12:23 the spirits of the OT saints are in the church.

Heb states that in the church are the spirits of the OT righteous men made perfect, along with thousands upon thousands of angels, and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant (Heb 12:18-24).

Psalm 40:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I did not hide Your righteousness in my heart; I spoke about Your faithfulness and salvation; I did not conceal Your constant love and truth from the great assembly.

Psalm 111:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Praise the LORD! I will give thanks to the LORD with all my heart, In the company of the upright and in the assembly.

Psalm 40:10 (YLT)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Thy righteousness I have not concealed In the midst of my heart, Thy faithfulness and Thy salvation I have told, I have not hidden Thy kindness and Thy truth, To the great assembly.

Ezekiel 13:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

I believe that the LORD has been building HIS Assembly starting with Adam. No not everyone sitting in a House of GOD is a member of the Assembly that He is building; but faith cometh by hearing the Word of GOD taught. That is why we leave the phonies there, because maybe they will eventually HEAR with spiritual understanding and become genuine believers.

My understanding is:

OT Saints believed that God would send the Messiah, and they were willing to submit to HIM as Lord.
NT Saints believe that God did send the Messiah, and they are willing to submit to HIM as Lord.

It is the SAME FAITH of the SAME Assembly that HE is building. It is the Faith of Abraham.

Yes, Abraham's faith was in the Promise (Christ), just as our faith is in Christ (the Promise).

It is one people of God (the olive tree) in a revelatory progressive plan of salvation,
where to the OT assembly the great and coming salvation was pictured in ceremonies, types, copies, shadows and patterns,
and to the NT called-out assembly these are made a reality, and no longer just ceremonies, types, copies, shadows and patterns.

God has only one people, the olive tree, on which are the branches of believing Israel and the believing Gentiles.

 

[Elin]

But that isn't what I have done. I have listened to God and
when he tells me something I spend months comparing it to scripture to find if it is truly from him.

That's good to hear. . .

So I am interested to know what Scripture confirms it will be within this year?

 

[SilverFanng]

How do you know the end of this year is the deadline?

All I know is he said that this year he will remove his hand of protection from his people. He then used the rule of two witnesses to convince me. Several other well known men of God as well as some lesser known or unknown men declared that this year is important. Jonathan Cahn (spelling might be wrong) stated there are harbingers that God uses to declare he is about to withdraw his blessings from his people. I know you don't believe me and I don't really care at this point because I barely even believe myself but when I ignore this god bombard me so I can't not think about it. Either way, right or wrong, we will all know the truth by the end of the year at the latest.

 

[SilverFanng]

That's good to hear. . .

So I am interested to know what Scripture confirms it will be within this year?

An excellent question. Allow me to respond with one of my own. What Scripture says that he doesn't tell us the when of anything? If memory serves, he gave us many riddles and then basically challenged us to understand it. Do i? No. Should I give up then? No. So why don't you even try? I'm not trying to guess Christ's return. I'm only trying to understand what he told me and if it was he who told me. I don't think that attempting to discern the voice of God. Is that a sin in your book?

 

[SilverFanng]

And just to clarify, I do not believe America will be the only nation God removes his hand of protection from. I also don't believe that an economic crash will be the first sign that he has done so either. God's people are a) blood descendants of the 12 tribes of israel and b) those redeemed through christ.

 

[RickyZ]

God will use two or more witnesses to establish His word. But one of those will ALWAYS be scripture. I hear a lot of people saying the same things about this year. But without an actual scriptural context it's all hearsay.

 

[SilverFanng]

God will use two or more witnesses to establish His word. But one of those will ALWAYS be scripture. I hear a lot of people saying the same things about this year. But without an actual scriptural context it's all hearsay.

Scripture states that should his people turn away from him he will rebuke them and remove the blessings he has given them. His people, the Israelites, still roam the earth although they have forgotten their identity, as it is written, and they have turned away from him again.

 

[RickyZ]

True, but what makes this year so special? That's what no one seems to be able to pin down. Either way it's going to be an interesting year!

 

[SilverFanng]

Also this just occurred to me. It is written that prophecy must agree with scripture. It doesn't say that it must already be stated in scripture. If what I say directly contradicts scripture then please tell me how, because I've been looking and cannot find it.

 

[SilverFanng]

True, but what makes this year so special? That's what no one seems to be able to pin down. Either way it's going to be an interesting year!

This September is both the start of a shmitah year AND the 70th jubilee. That is just a math thing in regards to ancient Israelite customs. Not certain if that's why this year, but that does make this year unique. Unless I misunderstood what a jubilee is and they're actually the same thing.

 

[just-me]

The rapture will occur in September of 2022, unsure of the day but it will be at the last trumpet on the 10th of Tishri. Intelligent guess, but it is after the tribulation in Matthew 24:29, because Jesus is answering His disciples when the end of the world would be, and what would be the sign of His coming in verse 3 of the same chapter. Who knows?

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36

There isn't any scripture clearly defining how many trumpets there would be before His coming. I know there are 7 mentioned in Revelation.

This year will be the beginning of the 7 years in September, but the great tribulation won't start for another 3 1/2 years.

 

[Elin]

An excellent question. Allow me to respond with one of my own.
What Scripture says that he doesn't tell us the when of anything?

Regarding his coming again at the end of time, that would be Mt 24:36.

If memory serves, he gave us many riddles and then basically challenged us to understand it. Do i? No. Should I give up then? No. So why don't you even try? I'm not trying to guess Christ's return. I'm only
trying to understand what he told me and if it was he who told me.

What he told me was Mt 24:36.

I don't think that attempting to discern the voice of God. Is that a sin in your book?

I'm thinking Mt 24:36 still holds.

 

[Elin]

And just to clarify, I do not believe America will be the only nation God removes his hand of protection from. I also don't believe that an economic crash will be the first sign that he has done so either. God's people are a) blood descendants of the 12 tribes of israel and b) those redeemed through christ.

According to the NT word of God, God's people are only those who believe in the Promise (Jesus Christ),
as did Abraham.

 

[Elin]

Scripture states that should his people turn away from him he will rebuke them and remove the blessings he has given them. His people, the Israelites, still roam the earth although they have forgotten their identity, as it is written, and they have turned away from him again.

Not all Israel is (true) Israel.

God's people since Abraham are, and always have been, only those who believe in the Promise (Jesus Christ).

 

[Elin]

Also this just occurred to me. It is written that prophecy must agree with scripture. It doesn't say that it must already be stated in scripture. If what I say directly contradicts scripture then please tell me how, because I've been looking and cannot find it.

I'm thinking Mt 24:36.

 

[SilverFanng]

According to the NT word of God, God's people are only those who believe in the Promise (Jesus Christ),
as did Abraham.

First of all he gave one thing that he wouldn't say the when of. He never said he would never tell us the when of anything.

Also he said that they entered into a new covenant. But the fact that Christ instructed the apostles to NOT go to the gentiles, until he told only Paul to go to the gentiles, means that there is still a hierarchy that is important to God. I don't know if I am one or not for they were lost to the fog of time, but God said he would never lose sight of them.