Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[GaryA]

What I don't understand is why YECs try so hard to prove scientifically that the earth et al is around 6,000 years old.

"I don't understand why it is so exceedingly and particularly important to those who insist the Earth is billions of years old to 'manufacture' science [ "so-called" ] and then try to "cram it down the throats" of the whole world..."

YECs can not make an intelligent argument scientifically for a 6,000-year-old earth, a global flood, or that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

Kent Hovind seems to have done a pretty good job of all three, IMO.

( Look out! Get ready! Here come the personal insults... )

YECs just make themselves look foolish when they attempt to do so.

Only in the eyes of non-YEC people...

You may believe the Bible is true, but you can not point to what Bible, specifically, is without error.

( Now you want to turn this thread into a KJV argument... Are you trying to achieve a Guinness World Record for creating the most side-subject-matter arguments in the same thread? )

This is where [ real ] faith comes in...

God said that He would preserve His Word. If a person believes that, then they are going to believe that His Word is without error -- at least, enough to not become too far separated from the Truth of His Word. What I mean by this is - if a name in the N.T. is spelled differently than it is in the O.T. ( in an English translation, for example ), that does not "run against" the Truth of the scriptures.

 

[Bowman]

Strawman
I answered the question......

Answering the question would have been a 'yes', or 'no' answer....could you please show us where you ever made this reply?

I explained that I believed man walked on the moon, but I refuted the belief that that evolution science is what caused man to walk on the moon....

There was no 'refuting' of evolution to begin with....you just interjected a red herring...and couldn't even 'refute' that....lol...

If you read what I wrote.
"Wernher von Braun had a major part in the science behind the moon landings." This indicates that I believe the moon landing. Then I indicate that he said it was because they didn't strictly believe just one thing. They didn't want to overlook anything, which is why he believes that just one view should not be taught.

Then you agree; the Universe is Billions of years old just as NASA states on their official website.

Today science tries to say evolution is the only logical theory for the universe, yet you all have admitted macro-evolution makes no sense and you don't understand it.

How does 'evolution' make the Universe Billions of years old...?

Get your facts straight.
I don't deny the science that got them there, I reject the science behind the old earth....which are two different things. If not, explain what the age of the earth has to do with a rocket....

You can't have one without the other.


Kodiak logic:

They were wrong about the age of my relatives...therefore they are wrong about the age of the Universe.



The entertainment value here...

 

[GaryA]

Your reluctance to replying to a 'yes' or 'no' question is painfully obvious, as you know that if you reply 'no' then this places you in the 'flat-earth' category of ignorance....and if you reply 'yes', then you MUST agree with the Billions-of-year-old-Universe science which allowed man to walk on the moon in the first place.

Your only alternative is to agree that man walked on the moon - but then to deny the very science that put him there in the first place.

This is commonly called willful ignorance...

What does the age of the earth have to do with the ability to travel to the moon? Can we only travel through 'space' that is billions of years old? Why can we not travel through 'space' that is only 6000 years old?

 

[GaryA]

Then you agree; the Universe is Billions of years old just as NASA states on their official website.

Let's see...

~ NASA says they went to the moon.

~ NASA says the universe is billions of years old.

Therefore, the universe must be billions of years old.

BAD logic!

 

[Bowman]

What does the age of the earth have to do with the ability to travel to the moon? Can we only travel through 'space' that is billions of years old? Why can we not travel through 'space' that is only 6000 years old?

The science that put man on the moon states the Universe is Billions of years old.

If you believe that man walked on the moon, then you have no choice but to believe in an ancient Universe....it would be hypocrisy to believe otherwise...

 

[Bowman]

Let's see...

~ NASA says they went to the moon.

~ NASA says the universe is billions of years old.

Therefore, the universe must be billions of years old.

BAD logic!

The, according to YOU, man did not walk on the moon.

 

[GaryA]

Do you believe that man walked on the moon...?

No - I do not.

Why?

Because I - personally - possess a sufficient amount of knowledge of physics ( as well as have a sufficient amount of common sense to go with it ) to be able to reason that it is not as 'true' as the presentation would make it out to be.

 

[GaryA]

The, according to YOU, man did not walk on the moon.

Who are you inclined to believe more - God or NASA?

 

[Bowman]

No - I do not.

Why?

Because I - personally - possess a sufficient amount of knowledge of physics ( as well as have a sufficient amount of common sense to go with it ) to be able to reason that it is not as 'true' as the presentation would make it out to be.

Show us your 'knowledge of physics' as to why you reject that man walked on the moon.

This should be worth buying a front-row ticket....

 

[Bowman]

Who are you inclined to believe more - God or NASA?

God.

His natural laws state that the Universe is Billions of years old.

 

[kodiak]

Answering the question would have been a 'yes', or 'no' answer....could you please show us where you ever made this reply?
There was no 'refuting' of evolution to begin with....you just interjected a red herring...and couldn't even 'refute' that....lol...
Then you agree; the Universe is Billions of years old just as NASA states on their official website.
How does 'evolution' make the Universe Billions of years old...?

You can't have one without the other.
Kodiak logic:
They were wrong about the age of my relatives...therefore they are wrong about the age of the Universe.
The entertainment value here...

Please show me the law that states that I cannot explain why I believe something. You need to go back and read everything I wrote, you clearly do not understand.
I believe the science that put man on the moon is not the same science that says the earth is billions of years old. You have yet to explain how it is the same exact science. Why can't you have one without the other, that is a copout. The science looked at every angle so they wouldn't leave anything out.

I was using that as an example as to one way in which the science of dating things is not accurate. It has so many problems.
Science cannot even accurately determine the age of a 2 year old, what makes you think they can accurately determine the age of a 6,000 year old fossil?

Instead of just saying I am wrong, prove it! Give me actual credible scientific evidence that the earth is billions of years old and the science behind it is accurate and explain how you know. All you are giving is speculation, give evidence.

 

[GaryA]

What some of the folks in this thread don't seem to understand is -- Satan is in control of the world scene - including NASA, et al. - and is "pushing" his own version of "truth" - which, in every possible way, is contrary to the Truth of God - when possible, literally the opposite. And, in every possible way he can, Satan takes advantage of any and all organizations who may be respected and believed by the masses.

So --- if you ( 'whoever' ) believe something just because NASA, the government, the pope, or any other "well known" person or organization has declared it -- then - you are of all people among those who are the most deceived!

Evolution and "billions of years" is taught in the schools because Satan wants our children to accept a lie.

NASA says the universe is billions of years old because Satan wants you to believe it.

Only 'spiritual eyes' can see this.

Do you understand what Ephesians 6:12 is telling you about the real world you live in?

 

[GaryA]

God.

His natural laws state that the Universe is Billions of years old.

And YOU are "more than welcome" to explain why you believe this; however, if you use modern "tainted" science to explain His natural laws ( what real science is suppose to be the study of ), it will be of no value...

 

[GaryA]

God.

His natural laws state that the Universe is Billions of years old.

I would very much appreciate it if you would show me exactly where His natural laws are 'stated' -- or, exactly where "what they state" is 'stated'.

EDIT: In other words, I would like to see the scientific statement of His natural laws -- with the statement being made by Him, of course!

 

[JackH]

And YOU are "more than welcome" to explain why you believe this; however, if you use modern "tainted" science to explain His natural laws ( what real science is suppose to be the study of ), it will be of no value...

Your YEC science is the science of Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) and his ilk.

Your YEC science of a 6,000-year-old world and dinosaurs coexisting with humans is not found in reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals or museums like the Carnegie or Smithsonian.

Your YEC scientists distort the truth and misrepresent science, according to the federal court decisions.

You fail.

 

[JackH]

What some of the folks in this thread don't seem to understand is -- Satan is in control of the world scene - including NASA, et al. - and is "pushing" his own version of "truth" - which, in every possible way, is contrary to the Truth of God - when possible, literally the opposite. And, in every possible way he can, Satan takes advantage of any and all organizations who may be respected and believed by the masses.

So --- if you ( 'whoever' ) believe something just because NASA, the government, the pope, or any other "well known" person or organization has declared it -- then - you are of all people among those who are the most deceived!

Evolution and "billions of years" is taught in the schools because Satan wants our children to accept a lie.

NASA says the universe is billions of years old because Satan wants you to believe it.

Only 'spiritual eyes' can see this.

Do you understand what Ephesians 6:12 is telling you about the real world you live in?

You don't believe that we even went to the moon, do you?

I think you meant that post a while back where you questioned whether or not we did, even though you backed off when challenged.

So tell us all about your New World Order conspiracies.

 

[GaryA]

I would very much appreciate it if you would show me exactly where His natural laws are 'stated' -- or, exactly where "what they state" is 'stated'.

EDIT: In other words, I would like to see the scientific statement of His natural laws -- with the statement being made by Him, of course!

The Bible is His 'statement' to mankind - it must take precedence over everything else. If anything does not agree with scripture, it must be wrong.

 

[GaryA]

Your YEC science of a 6,000-year-old world and dinosaurs coexisting with humans is not found in reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals or museums like the Carnegie or Smithsonian.

'reputable' => "approved by Satan"

You keep saying that. It has absolutely nothing to do with [ real truth ]. This is the thing that you must come to understand.

You are accepting the words of Satan - under the guise of a "reputable" human organization.

Nothing but the lies of Satan are going to be promoted in the "peer-reviewed scientific journals" that you speak of. When are you going to understand this?

The museums are controlled by Satan. Don't you think this would affect what they promote?

Don't get me wrong. There does exist some good science out there. However, it is not what you are going to hear from the "foremost" sources - i.e., "the public media" -- you have to know where to "dig" to get [ truly ] credible information. Kent Hovind has done this.

 

[GaryA]

You don't believe that we even went to the moon, do you?

I think you meant that post a while back where you questioned whether or not we did, even though you backed off when challenged.

So tell us all about your New World Order conspiracies.

As a rule, I do not "back off when challenged" -- i am not afraid to state what I believe. More often, it is a matter of not having the time - or, not having the time "right now"...

 

[JackH]

you have to know where to "dig" to get [ truly ] credible information. Kent Hovind has done this.

Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) still putting out credible information from his prison cell that he is not likely to leave soon?

Even major YEC organizations like Creation Ministries International have a problem with Dr. Dino's credibility:

Maintaining Creationist Integrity (response to Kent Hovind) - creation.com