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I always love it when somebody comes along with their poison, seeding doubt and lies, then ends their post with "God bless" or "love," you get the idea. I suppose a spoonful of sugar helps the bitter medicine go down? A little of the 'ol angel of light routine? Or laying on people a false gospel, shredding Bible truth, then, "Let's not be divisive." The cult people, who need to even hide who they are, with all their Judaizing, love that one, the last resort of somebody who has lost the debate, on the basis of scripture truth, to attack the messenger.
Amen to that.......love and truth go hand in hand......you actually have to have the truth before you can biblically love.......!
 
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What is amazing is that they deny that they teach works for salvation when the evidence is present in every post when they say that a person must do this or that to remain saved. They take eternal life out of the hands of the Savior and place it in their own hands. They minimize the role of Jesus and say that they must help Him out.
The old Satanic lie...started by faith...made complete by works....Galatians forever settles this......it is a false gospel, is double cursed and has ZERO, NADA, NO power to save!
 
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Exactly! Their whole premise is salvation, contingent on works, yet they don't teach works salvation? It's like the sabbath pushers. They don't believe you're under the law, but you're under the law.

Maybe it's schizophrenia, but I sure don't know what faith these people hold to. It's not Christianity. And it's usually the likes of the gospel according to White, Russell, Armstrong, Smith, Buffalo Bill Hawkins or the Pope, though Catholics at least don't hide what they are, as if under some rock: anything but clear teachings in scripture a child could understand.

Just being honest, I've never seen so many "Christians" in the real world, so confused over the simple gospel of grace, by faith, and walking in the Spirit, though you do find the poisonous teachings going on here, a lot, in the cults.
I agree with this as well........it is so simple that is why it requires child like faith......the simplicity that is found in Jesus......

Believe in Jesus=Saved

If you believe in your heart (mind) that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

How simple is that...clear cut for sure!
 
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I agree with this as well........it is so simple that is why it requires child like faith......the simplicity that is found in Jesus......

Believe in Jesus=Saved

If you believe in your heart (mind) that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

How simple is that...clear cut for sure!
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you are so right, Dc,

the 'cut' comes into our hearts in the obedience, the plain truth/proof.
 
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Amen to that.......love and truth go hand in hand......you actually have to have the truth before you can biblically love.......!
It can be dumbfounding, what's going on in web forums, if you've lived most your life a mainstream Christian and have never seen the basics so foolishly shredded. Many here would simply be unbelievers, in a congregation of Bible believers. It's uncertain how much scripture people are even familiar with. False prophets are wholly condemned in the Bible, false teachers of a class of their own our Lord Jesus was stridently opposed to, had no perfumed or flowery language for: the Lord Jesus had no ecumenicism with the work of the devil or his workers. Through Paul, as it is all the Lord Jesus, lies are to be rebuked, sharply.

When somebody is pushing the same lies, hundreds of times, despite being shown the truth of scripture, trying to teach lies, this is not sin common to man: this is malicious, unrepentant deception. The false doctrines are doctrines of devils. We're too politically correct in our day and age to stand the whole truth, lest it appear we're not making nice: but teaching lies that can damn is not love, by any stretch of the imagination. Love is not a pretense. The Bible isn't namby pamby in these matters. I don't care how smiley that false prophet is in the pulpit: it's a snake, and it's a wolf, or somebody so blind and foolishly deluded that clear gospel truth won't open their eyes. Trouble is, I don't believe anybody is that stupid.

Every Christian I've ever known acknowledges truth in scripture, learns the obvious truths and the deeper ones, does not pervert truth. If you have the Holy Spirit, you have eyes that see, and ears that ear. If the things of God in scripture aren't registering, this requires some explanation, how the Holy Spirit is failing such a person? I've neither ever known a Christian who is not fully aware their ability to stand in the presence of Holy God is something less than zero, absent the covering blood of and righteousness of Christ, alone. The Holy Spirit drives anybody far from self-righteousness. As always, there are simply packs of dogs around here that don't hunt. It's incredible how the simple gospel is even argued against, to the point of daily foolishness on parade.

Tell you what, Dcontroversal, it's often very refreshing to see your no nonsense faith. Guess I don't like beating around the bush, either.
 
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It can be dumbfounding, what's going on in web forums, if you've lived most your life a mainstream Christian and have never seen the basics so foolishly shredded. Many here would simply be unbelievers, in a congregation of Bible believers. It's uncertain how much scripture people are even familiar with. False prophets are wholly condemned in the Bible, false teachers of a class of their own our Lord Jesus was stridently opposed to, had no perfumed or flowery language for: the Lord Jesus had no ecumenicism with the work of the devil or his workers. Through Paul, as it is all the Lord Jesus, lies are to be rebuked, sharply.

When somebody is pushing the same lies, hundreds of times, despite being shown the truth of scripture, trying to teach lies, this is not sin common to man: this is malicious, unrepentant deception. The false doctrines are doctrines of devils. We're too politically correct in our day and age to stand the whole truth, lest it appear we're not making nice: but teaching lies that can damn is not love, by any stretch of the imagination. Love is not a pretense. The Bible isn't namby pamby in these matters. I don't care how smiley that false prophet is in the pulpit: it's a snake, and it's a wolf, or somebody so blind and foolishly deluded that clear gospel truth won't open their eyes. Trouble is, I don't believe anybody is that stupid.

Every Christian I've ever known acknowledges truth in scripture, learns the obvious truths and the deeper ones, does not pervert truth. If you have the Holy Spirit, you have eyes that see, and ears that ear. If the things of God in scripture aren't registering, this requires some explanation, how the Holy Spirit is failing such a person? I've neither ever known a Christian who is not fully aware their ability to stand in the presence of Holy God is something less than zero, absent the covering blood of and righteousness of Christ, alone. The Holy Spirit drives anybody far from self-righteousness. As always, there are simply packs of dogs around here that don't hunt. It's incredible how the simple gospel is even argued against, to the point of daily foolishness on parade.

Tell you what, Dcontroversal, it's often very refreshing to see your no nonsense faith. Guess I don't like beating around the bush, either.
Amen to that....I have for a long time believed to lay it out like it is and let the chips fall where they fall.....God's word is designed to do one of two things IMO.....

1. Draw you near and change you based upon belief
2. Cut and drive you deeper away from the truth

And I agree with your sentiment about those who will simply, continually argue against the truth....like a snake writhing to get away when caught they will twist, turn, deny, argue and or change direction or course so as to throw off the (yoke) of being nailed in their falsities......and make no mistake....some are masters at this!
 
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There you go again teaching that keeping your salvation is based on what you do or don't do and not upon Jesus and what He did. You just cannot accept that Jesus does not need your help.
Jesus said if you do not forgive, your Heavenly Father will not forgive you (Matthew 6:15). Why would Jesus teach something whereby it would shortly be nullified later on? Paul says, if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Or do you have a different interpreation on that verse? Does it mean something else besides what it says plainly?
 
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I always love it when somebody comes along with their poison, seeding doubt and lies, then ends their post with "God bless" or "love," you get the idea. I suppose a spoonful of sugar helps the bitter medicine go down? A little of the 'ol angel of light routine? Or laying on people a false gospel, shredding Bible truth, then, "Let's not be divisive." The cult people, who need to even hide who they are, with all their Judaizing, love that one, the last resort of somebody who has lost the debate, on the basis of scripture truth, to attack the messenger.
Matthew 6:15 and 1 John 3:15 are not poison. They are verses that are in your Bible. No other Bible verse nullifies or changes what these two verses are saying. Jesus did not teach primarily Old Covenant but he was teaching people the New Covenant ways before the New Testament went officially into effect with His death.
 
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What is amazing is that they deny that they teach works for salvation when the evidence is present in every post when they say that a person must do this or that to remain saved. They take eternal life out of the hands of the Savior and place it in their own hands. They minimize the role of Jesus and say that they must help Him out.
Again, I do not believe in Works Salvationism. There are many verses that tell us that God ultimately does the work in the believer. A person is born again spiritually and is changed and has God living within them whereby God does the work thru them (Please read Ezekiel 36:26-27). A person merely yields to God and the work He wants to do in them.
 
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Matthew 6:15 and 1 John 3:15 are not poison. They are verses that are in your Bible. No other Bible verse nullifies or changes what these two verses are saying. Jesus did not teach primarily Old Covenant but he was teaching people the New Covenant ways before the New Testament went officially into effect with His death.
I notice that you have lightened your message some. Maybe your eyes are starting to open up to Jesus' grace?
 
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I notice that you have lightened your message some. Maybe your eyes are starting to open up to Jesus' grace?
No. Not a chance. I see "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved) and or a "Sin and still be Saved" doctrine as one of the top most evilest things on the planet. I see Antinomianism (and all it's different forms) as worse than Works Salvationism. For it is a belief that is leading God's good people astray and in them into being slaves to their sin. I have been grieved by people's responses and have chosen to work on a study I plan to reveal in another Bible Study thread (in time).
 
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You people, you make me laugh, you think that you must have knowledge and have a lot of it to get into heaven.

I tell you now that unless you become like a child you wont see it.
 
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Exactly! Their whole premise is salvation, contingent on works, yet they don't teach works salvation? It's like the sabbath pushers. They don't believe you're under the law, but you're under the law.

Maybe it's schizophrenia, but I sure don't know what faith these people hold to. It's not Christianity. And it's usually the likes of the gospel according to White, Russell, Armstrong, Smith, Buffalo Bill Hawkins or the Pope, though Catholics at least don't hide what they are, as if under some rock: anything but clear teachings in scripture a child could understand.

Just being honest, I've never seen so many "Christians" in the real world, so confused over the simple gospel of grace, by faith, and walking in the Spirit, though you do find the poisonous teachings going on here, a lot, in the cults.
Paul says we establish the Law. Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul says, God forbid. Paul says if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing. Teaching that you can sin and still be saved is teaching against Godliness. Also, your mind seems to be stuck in a feed back loop that I believe in Works Savlationism (Which is not true). First, the Scriptures clearly teach that those who keep God's Commandments actually know the Lord (See 1 John 2:3-6). Second, I do not believe I do the work of my own power. I believe it is God who does the work thru me (See Philippians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 15:10, Ezekiel 36:26-27). In other words, I cannot claim ownership to that work and think it is Works Salvationism or the arm of my own flesh that is saving me. I am merely yielding to God within me from having been saved by His grace.
 
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No. Not a chance. I see "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved) and or a "Sin and still be Saved" doctrine as one of the top most evilest things on the planet. I see Antinomianism (and all it's different forms) as worse than Works Salvationism. For it is a belief that is leading God's good people astray and in them into being slaves to their sin. I have been grieved by people's responses and have chosen to work on a study I plan to reveal in another Bible Study thread (in time).
So you haven't been touched by Jesus grace? Your message has changed tho.....You'll get sent back to the drawing board soon enough.
 
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So you haven't been touched by Jesus grace? Your message has changed tho.....You'll get sent back to the drawing board soon enough.
I have been touched by Christ's real grace as a part of what the Holy Scriptures clearly teach. The Lord will not condone one of His people in doing evil. Nowhere in the Bible do we ever see such a thing take place. OSAS and a "sin and still be saved" is so obviously false it is not even funny. One has to merely read their own Bible to destroy such a false belief on grace. I mean, how many times does the OSAS or "sin and still be saved" proponent ignore verses in their Bible every time they read it? There are a ton of verses that they are ignoring.
 
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Jesus said if you do not forgive, your Heavenly Father will not forgive you (Matthew 6:15). Why would Jesus teach something whereby it would shortly be nullified later on? Paul says, if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Or do you have a different interpreation on that verse? Does it mean something else besides what it says plainly?
Jesus also said in the Gospel of John to remain in me and I will remain in you. This suggests to me that salvation can be lost
 
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Madison Avenue pushes that if something is free it isn't good for anything; and the people who teach against OSAS have bought into the idea that that have to earn their Salvation.

Ro 5:8-10
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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But.... you have to keep reading, though. In the very next chapter, Paul asks the question, shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul replies with "God forbid." Meaning you are not allowed to sin. For he says one yields themselves to which servant they want to obey. Whether obedience unto righteousness and or obedience unto righteousness. For at the end of Romans 6, Paul contrasts that you are either a slave to righteousness or you are a slave to sin. It cannot be both. We must choose this day in whom we will serve. Jesus says you cannot serve two masters. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
 
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I have been touched by Christ's real grace as a part of what the Holy Scriptures clearly teach. The Lord will not condone one of His people in doing evil. Nowhere in the Bible do we ever see such a thing take place. OSAS and a "sin and still be saved" is so obviously false it is not even funny. One has to merely read their own Bible to destroy such a false belief on grace. I mean, how many times does the OSAS or "sin and still be saved" proponent ignore verses in their Bible every time they read it? There are a ton of verses that they are ignoring.
Just as there are verses that you are ignoring.
 
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Jesus also said in the Gospel of John to remain in me and I will remain in you. This suggests to me that salvation can be lost
I agree. In addition, within John 15:7: Jesus said if you abide in Him and abide in His Words, we can ask what we will and it will be done unto us. John 8:31 says if we continue in His Word, we are His disciples indeed. He that hears God's Word is from God and he that does not hear God's Word is not from God (John 8:47). The Pharisees seeked to kill Jesus because his Word did not abide in them (John 8:37). That is why all who live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution (Whether it be verbal and or physical persecution).
 
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Just as there are verses that you are ignoring.
Not a chance. I can easily explain the context of the verses you put forth, whereas you are unable to truly do that. Big difference. Others have tried to explain the context, but they really are not believing what the Bible is plainly saying and it ends up being dead silence on their end or in them getting angry whereby they will try to insult me (or try to make it personal). For why isn't anyone in your camp explaining the verses I am putting forth now? They should know what those verses say?

For why I get attacked personally back instead of an answer with Scripture?
 
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