Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?

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Hey Josh.....everything must jive with 1 coming......It states of Jesus

Was<--Past tense
Is<--Present tense
IS TO COME<---ONE coming (parousia) body presence of Christ and us being gathered together unto him....

7th trump answers all three....

Day of the Lord commences<--Jesus seizes control of all kingdoms of the earth as LORD
Day of Christ commences as he rewards the prophets, saints and those who fear in the clouds as Christ
Day of God commences as he pours out his wrath on unbelieving world gathered under the beast in his kingdom as GOD

Jesus is LORD, CHRIST and GOD
Thanks DC, I cannot wrap my head around some super secret rapture. A rapture is not explained in the Bible either and a rapture completely refutes what Jesus said in Rev 2 and 3.
 
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equally why would you take away or change the meaning of 1000 years. Look, no one is adding anything, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck admit it,...it's the antichrist.
Again we disagree and its fine brother. Antichrist states Jesus did not come in the flesh, and Satan knows Jesus came in the flesh, he tempted him remember?
 
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This is my point. I don't deal with mill/trib/disp/rap/whatever because it's a huge waste of time consumed instead of dealing with the obvious
I don't buy this......The Lord inspired every word written and they are all profitable and to say it is a waste of time is contrary and to be honest not very biblical......The word is meant to be understood and without a doubt no one has all of the answers, but truth can be gleaned from an intensive study of everything that is found written in the word....
 

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Read on....

Romans 9:6-9[SUP]6 [/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Promise of the Father is the seal of the Holy Spirit....nothing to do with flesh and blood, but rather the children of faith are counted for the seed.


Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. :)
the 1 Corinthians is speaking of the Church (Believing Jews and Gentiles), Gal 3 is speaking of us being grafted into the blessings of Abraham (Rom 11)the rest is again between believing Jews and non believing Jews. Sorry, as gentiles we are not Israel.
 

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Again we disagree and its fine brother. Antichrist states Jesus did not come in the flesh, and Satan knows Jesus came in the flesh, he tempted him remember?
This proves little as satan is a liar, remember? He may say Jesus didn't come in the flesh but that's just his lie, he knows better. Your using mathematical logic on this and...not good.
 
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Thanks DC, I cannot wrap my head around some super secret rapture. A rapture is not explained in the Bible either and a rapture completely refutes what Jesus said in Rev 2 and 3.
That is because there is no some super, secret rapture (so called).....another fallacy associated with the 2nd coming...the bible teaches that the following will see him come with the clouds, power and great glory...

1. The saved disciples
2. The lost religious
3. Every kindred, tongue, nation and tribe
4. Every EYE

His coming is compared to lightning that cracks in the East and shines unto the West which everyone can see and the dead carcass of an animal and it's evidence based upon the birds (buzzards) that flock around it.....This is the coming of our God, he is not going to slink in like some snake to get his children....he will come with power, great glory and it will be VISIBLE to the entire planet!
 

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I'm done here.
It's easy to sit back and take pop shots at someone elses view without having to present your own view for others to do equally to...bye.
 
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That is because there is no some super, secret rapture (so called).....another fallacy associated with the 2nd coming...the bible teaches that the following will see him come with the clouds, power and great glory...

1. The saved disciples
2. The lost religious
3. Every kindred, tongue, nation and tribe
4. Every EYE

His coming is compared to lightning that cracks in the East and shines unto the West which everyone can see and the dead carcass of an animal and it's evidence based upon the birds (buzzards) that flock around it.....This is the coming of our God, he is not going to slink in like some snake to get his children....he will come with power, great glory and it will be VISIBLE to the entire planet!
Does the Bible say that when we meet Him in the clouds that He will take us to heaven right off, or does it say we will come to earth with Him to reign in His kingdom? I think the latter. Also, by clearly defining this might (might, just might) put a lot of confusion and controversy to rest. Thanks in advance.
 
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ok rip out 1/3 of the bible since it deals with this stuff. And please don't ask me more questions dealing with this stuff since it isn't that important. Besides I don't like wasting my time posting to those who either don't care or like to play games...toying around.
I think it's all important stuff but not as important as a growing relationshop with Jesus. I think the end times stuff is important in that we get to meet Him face to face. I commend you for your in depth study and knowledge of it and what you write about it is not wasted on me.
 
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Does the Bible say that when we meet Him in the clouds that He will take us to heaven right off, or does it say we will come to earth with Him to reign in His kingdom? I think the latter. Also, by clearly defining this might (might, just might) put a lot of confusion and controversy to rest. Thanks in advance.
I believe it is clear....we meet the Lord in the air, are rewarded while he judges the planet with his wrath and we return to the earth with Christ to set up his millennial kingdom......the only people who I believe go to heaven are the dead in Christ who he brings with him when he returns......those alive will be changed and meet in the air with the resurrected dead to be rewarded....at the end of the millennial reign he will create a new heaven and earth wherein dwelleth righteousness and New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven to the new earth and God will forever be with his people in our midst.
 
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You know...I was raised believing in pre-trib and dogmatically defended it...then I had to teach thru 1st and 2nd Thessalonians...the questions began to roll in and after 26 years of intensive study I wrote a 212 page book on the subject....the resurrection/change is post great tribulation/pre-wrath at the 7th trump of God when all the facts are taken into account......the book is in my blog section and how to open it.....!

Question 1....

Revelation 20<--ONLY 1 (ONE) general resurrection/change of the(blessed) saved upon which the 2nd death have NO POWER...the ones who lose their heads for refusal to take the mark of the beast (LIVE AND REIGN) with Christ which is indicative of being RESURRECTED.....

IF the resurrection/change takes place BEFORE the events of REVELATION then WHEN are they resurrected seeing how there is only 1 (ONE)

and like you said...the SAINTS are identified as church members who have been saved, immersed and identified with the churches written to in the N.T. How can the beast/little horn make war with them and wear them out for 3.5 years if they have been taken out!

Jesus said that if he did not step in there would be NO FLESH LEFT ALIVE, but for the sake of the elect he will step in....NO WONDER PAUL writes...THEN we which are ALIVE AND REMAIN!
Revelation 20<--ONLY 1 (ONE) general resurrection
Rev.20 4 are the saints of the First Resurrection and it says they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

If we compare (v.5) to (v.4) it says those people don't live again until the thousand years are finished.

But the rest of the dead (wicked people) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. Rev.20 5a

And the people in (v.5) will be raised to life judged and will die again and suffer the second death.
 
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I believe it is clear....we meet the Lord in the air, are rewarded while he judges the planet with his wrath and we return to the earth with Christ to set up his millennial kingdom......the only people who I believe go to heaven are the dead in Christ who he brings with him when he returns......those alive will be changed and meet in the air with the resurrected dead to be rewarded....at the end of the millennial reign he will create a new heaven and earth wherein dwelleth righteousness and New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven to the new earth and God will forever be with his people in our midst.
That's what I thought. "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Corinthians 13:1:)
 
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Rev.20 4 are the saints of the First Resurrection and it says they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

If we compare (v.5) to (v.4) it says those people don't live again until the thousand years are finished.

But the rest of the dead (wicked people) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. Rev.20 5a

And the people in (v.5) will be raised to life and will suffer the second death.
I agree...only 1 general resurrection of the BLESSED SAVED<---key words....the resurrection of the LOST is called the 2nd death
 
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That's what I thought. "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Corinthians 13:1:)
amen to that for sure......many people just read and think they got it all figured out...it takes intensive study year after year after year to grasp the deeper truths of the word.......
 
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This proves little as satan is a liar, remember? He may say Jesus didn't come in the flesh but that's just his lie, he knows better. Your using mathematical logic on this and...not good.
How can he say Jesus did not come in the flesh when he knew he did? Your twisting this, because it makes the head of your theology explode.
 
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How can he say Jesus did not come in the flesh when he knew he did? Your twisting this, because it makes the head of your theology explode.
I believe he asks a good question I was going to ask the same thing because Satan is a liar, he doesnt abide in the truth (in otherwords) or look at the nature of a lying spirit its not truthful by nature of what it is. See what I mean?
 
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amen to that for sure......many people just read and think they got it all figured out...it takes intensive study year after year after year to grasp the deeper truths of the word.......
My wife just downloaded your book. This will be interesting. Thank you for mentioning it my fellow machinist, and veteran.
 
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I don't buy this......The Lord inspired every word written and they are all profitable and to say it is a waste of time is contrary and to be honest not very biblical......The word is meant to be understood and without a doubt no one has all of the answers, but truth can be gleaned from an intensive study of everything that is found written in the word....
Yes. The Bible is truth. The rest of this stuff is modernism. It's not Biblical. Wasn't even around when America was born. This isn't the word. This is a little here and a little thereism.

Let's see, we have pre and post tributers, pre-, a-, and post-millennialists, add a little dispensationalism into the mix, (which I've just been told isn't always agreeing with one another either), and, oh, yeah, let's not forget the preterists. How many variations is that, particularly when you can take a little from Column A, some from Column B, and let's not forget Row E?

Everyone is absolutely sure they're right and everyone else is wrong. AND, this is how they spend their time. Let's argue this stuff, instead of focusing on God.

The word? I don't think so. This is a preoccupation to avoid the word in all its/his glory. (Notice about 20 verse used, each one to prove someone else is wrong.) That's why it just keeps on going. Nothing better than have people thinking they're following God, when, in reality, everyone is proving a pet theory.

That's why there's never agreement. This isn't supposed to be agreed on any more than eating that fruit from that tree was a good idea.
 
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I believe it is clear....we meet the Lord in the air, are rewarded while he judges the planet with his wrath and we return to the earth with Christ to set up his millennial kingdom......the only people who I believe go to heaven are the dead in Christ who he brings with him when he returns......those alive will be changed and meet in the air with the resurrected dead to be rewarded....at the end of the millennial reign he will create a new heaven and earth wherein dwelleth righteousness and New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven to the new earth and God will forever be with his people in our midst.
we return to the earth with Christ to set up his millennial kingdom
Does Israel fit into this for you?