Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?
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Yes...the kingdom of the beast and the beast make a full out assault on Israel to destroy Israel....according to Zechariah and Isaiah, Israel goes all the way through the tribulation period and are protected thru the wrath of God and come through in their physical bodies and re-populate the waste cities of Israel.....they will collectively as a nation believe when they look upon him whom they pierced....
What most don't understand is that it is all about Israel...the Lord comes to defend his people and his land and his city....the gathering of the gentile saved is secondary in my view!
What most don't understand is that it is all about Israel...the Lord comes to defend his people and his land and his city....the gathering of the gentile saved is secondary in my view!
Not sure why you would say such things....
a. The bible states that it is a little here and little there, line upon line and precept upon precept so not sure of your first point.
b. Yes there is division, because most do not study, but regurgitate what they have always been taught or have just read the bible and do not study words, verb tenses, context, historical context etc.....
c. There is only one truth and if everyone is honest with the truth and what it teaches we will all come to the same conclusions
d. It takes being born again to understand the word...there are not 50 gospels as there is only one.....people who are not genuinely saved will not be able to spiritually discern the word-->hence the differences and different flavors of so called Christianity and the multiple views on the end
e. And not sure of your last two points as God does promote unity in the word......the division comes because of the reasons above.....
a. The bible states that it is a little here and little there, line upon line and precept upon precept so not sure of your first point.
b. Yes there is division, because most do not study, but regurgitate what they have always been taught or have just read the bible and do not study words, verb tenses, context, historical context etc.....
c. There is only one truth and if everyone is honest with the truth and what it teaches we will all come to the same conclusions
d. It takes being born again to understand the word...there are not 50 gospels as there is only one.....people who are not genuinely saved will not be able to spiritually discern the word-->hence the differences and different flavors of so called Christianity and the multiple views on the end
e. And not sure of your last two points as God does promote unity in the word......the division comes because of the reasons above.....
NOt at all, you still have the Jews and there will still be a chance for people to pick sides, choose the mark or reject it and cry out to the true God.
Being raptured out will be a clincher for many people, if they know someone and "poof" they are gone, then that will bring more people to accept God as real.
Being raptured out will be a clincher for many people, if they know someone and "poof" they are gone, then that will bring more people to accept God as real.
As I have said so many times before - no rapture in the Bible, except the Latin Vulgate.
"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17 ESV
"ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα." 1 Thess. 4:17 Greek
Jesus returns only once! The word ἀπάντησιν or apantasin means "meeting" but a little bit more! The word had a technical meaning in the Hellenistic world related to the visits of dignitaries to cities where the visitor would be formally met by the citizens or a deputation and then ceremonially escort him back to the city.
Apantasin only occurs two other places in Scripture - Acts 28:15 (when Paul was met and escorted back to Rome) and Matt 25:6 where the virgins come out to meet the bridegroom and are escort him inside.
The really weird thing about the way apantasin is translated, is in every version I checked, it is translated as an infinitive. It does not have the right ending to say "to meet" and in fact is the accusative case of the noun apantasis.
Finally, good hermeneutics requires that in order to form a doctrine such as "the rapture" in which Jesus meets us in the air and takes us to heaven (not in this verse at all!) that it be backed up in other places in Scripture. Plus, Revelation 20 is the only place a millennium is mentioned, in the most symbolic book in the whole Bible. Therefore, highly symbolic language, in that chapter!
So no rapture and no millennium is my vote!
"Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:17 ESV
"ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα." 1 Thess. 4:17 Greek
Jesus returns only once! The word ἀπάντησιν or apantasin means "meeting" but a little bit more! The word had a technical meaning in the Hellenistic world related to the visits of dignitaries to cities where the visitor would be formally met by the citizens or a deputation and then ceremonially escort him back to the city.
Apantasin only occurs two other places in Scripture - Acts 28:15 (when Paul was met and escorted back to Rome) and Matt 25:6 where the virgins come out to meet the bridegroom and are escort him inside.
The really weird thing about the way apantasin is translated, is in every version I checked, it is translated as an infinitive. It does not have the right ending to say "to meet" and in fact is the accusative case of the noun apantasis.
Finally, good hermeneutics requires that in order to form a doctrine such as "the rapture" in which Jesus meets us in the air and takes us to heaven (not in this verse at all!) that it be backed up in other places in Scripture. Plus, Revelation 20 is the only place a millennium is mentioned, in the most symbolic book in the whole Bible. Therefore, highly symbolic language, in that chapter!
So no rapture and no millennium is my vote!
?? for both of you.....
Have the Jewish people accepted the new covenant? NO
When do they (the remnant) trust Jesus? Not until they look on him whom they pierced-->Zechariah
They (the Jewish people) have
1. Bred a red heifer for sacrifice
2. Have the Kohen priesthood trained
3. Have all instruments ready for temple sacrifice
4. Have (off site) a complete (temple built and ready to construct)
etc.
1. They will have no allies when the end comes
2. They will have all nations gathered together against them
Why is it so hard to believe that they will in moment of desperation build something and then start offering sacrifices in hope that God will hear and defend them?
I personally think it is quite plausible that they will build something along the lines of the tabernacle.....
and what is Jesus speaking of when he and Daniel speak of the Abomination that maketh desolate stand in the HOLY PLACE (the image of the beast)? Where is the HOLY PLACE that he is speaking of?
?? for both of you.....
Have the Jewish people accepted the new covenant? NO
When do they (the remnant) trust Jesus? Not until they look on him whom they pierced-->Zechariah
They (the Jewish people) have
1. Bred a red heifer for sacrifice
2. Have the Kohen priesthood trained
3. Have all instruments ready for temple sacrifice
4. Have (off site) a complete (temple built and ready to construct)
etc.
1. They will have no allies when the end comes
2. They will have all nations gathered together against them
Why is it so hard to believe that they will in moment of desperation build something and then start offering sacrifices in hope that God will hear and defend them?
I personally think it is quite plausible that they will build something along the lines of the tabernacle.....
and what is Jesus speaking of when he and Daniel speak of the Abomination that maketh desolate stand in the HOLY PLACE (the image of the beast)? Where is the HOLY PLACE that he is speaking of?