Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

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The 4004 BC date of Creation has been brought frequently, and I'm really curious.

Here is a very interesting, and I think balanced article by a Canadian journalist:

The man who dated Creation at Oct. 23, 4004 BC - The Globe and Mail

He notes that Usshur is unfairly picked on, because Newton himself dated Creation at 4000 BC. He also notes how extordionarily brilliant this scholar was, and says that in his massive volume chronologing every major event up to 70 AD as compiled with both secular/pagan and religious sources - his footnotes contains references to far more secular sources than religious. And he was actually very accurate by today's estimates of the birth of Christ.
I don't doubt that Ussher was brilliant.

Ussher catches most of the flak because it was his dates that were printed in bibles for several hundred years, not somebody else's.

And Ussher, in the 17th century, had little knowledge of matters like geology, paleontology, et al.

YECs still don't.
 
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Then you don't understand what they are saying

I understand that Old Earth Creationists affirm microevolution and deny macroevolution, as do YECs.

A fossil is discovered that is dated at 70 billion years old by credible scientific methods.

It is still 70 billion years old, whether it is a fossil of a creature that did evolve or did not evolve.
 
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I understand that Old Earth Creationists affirm microevolution and deny macroevolution, as do YECs.
Not the OEs I know.

A fossil is discovered that is dated at 70 billion years old by credible scientific methods.
There are no "credible methods," only WAGs, to date something that old. Carbon dating is the only somewhat reliable dating method, and it is useless beyond 6,800 years, and questionable inside that amount of time, given the extreme unlikelihood that Carbon-14 and Carbon-12 were actually distributed equally throughout a given three-meter space, much less so throughout the world.
 
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Interesting, you have a lot of Bibles.Your NASB doesn't have Genesis 5? Many have studied the Bible and used different versions. This along with some careful study of multiple verses to get certain dates has caused many different numbers to come up. It can range from 3836 B.C. to 5501 B.C. Although 4004 B.C. may be wrong, it just shows that it is in the correct range, if you view the Bible as literal. One of the areas they have to be careful with is on Terah's age when Abraham was born.
They have used both the Masoretic and the Septuagint in this range.
I don't really see how this can be wrong unless the Bible is not talking literal days. But then that discredits the rest of the verses that discuss days, including the resurrection of Christ. But we have other sources that indicate it was actually 3 days. Can you please explain how the Bible can view man's age of the earth as correct? I fail to see this, so can you please explain it?
My view is that the bible does not tell us how old the earth is.

Therefore you have to look elsewhere for the age of the earth, like reputable scientific sources, which does not include Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind), Ken Ham, and websites like ICR, AIG, and CMI.
 

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My view is that the bible does not tell us how old the earth is.

Therefore you have to look elsewhere for the age of the earth, like reputable scientific sources, which does not include Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind), Ken Ham, and websites like ICR, AIG, and CMI.
So you reject the accuracy of the ages written in the bible?
 
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So you reject the accuracy of the ages written in the bible?
What bible are you talking about?

The Septuagint (LXX) indicates that Methuselah died after the Flood.
 
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Not the OEs I know.

There are no "credible methods," only WAGs, to date something that old. Carbon dating is the only somewhat reliable dating method, and it is useless beyond 6,800 years, and questionable inside that amount of time, given the extreme unlikelihood that Carbon-14 and Carbon-12 were actually distributed equally throughout a given three-meter space, much less so throughout the world.
Are you telling me that scientists can not determine that a dinosaur fossil is older than around 6,000 years old?

Are you telling me that scientists can not determine that the earth is older than around 6,000 years old?
 

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What bible are you talking about?

The Septuagint (LXX) indicates that Methuselah died after the Flood.
All of them indicate that the earth was created somewhere from 3836 B.C. to 5501 B.C......even the Septuagint.
You don't read the Septuagint according to your post above. Why is it that every Bible you read does not indicate the same dates of the Septuagint? Lack of credibility in the Septuagint dates, that caused very few if any current Bible versions to copy its dates?
 
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All of them indicate that the earth was created somewhere from 3836 B.C. to 5501 B.C......even the Septuagint.
What Bible indicates that the earth was created in 3836 BC?

What Bible indicates that the earth was created in 5501 BC?
 

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What Bible indicates that the earth was created in 3836 BC?

What Bible indicates that the earth was created in 5501 BC?
5501- Septuagint
3836- Masoretic
 

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Where did you get those dates?

From what website?

Please provide a link.
Dr. Jones has it in a book, I am sure you can find the information in other places, google books has a preview of the book which contains that section.
"Chronology of the Old Testament"
 
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Dr. Jones has it in a book, I am sure you can find the information in other places, google books has a preview of the book which contains that section.
"Chronology of the Old Testament"
You are prepared to discuss Dr. Jones and his book?
 
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I don't know why I'm bothering, because your skepticism reeks. However, you can find them here.
Like I said, your tracks at the site you linked to have been debunked as proving that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

To the extent that your major YEC organizations have advised YECs to not use them to argue that dinosaurs coexisted with humans.

Are you a big fan of Dr. Don Patton, featured prominently at the website you linked to?

He's a Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) clone.

popeye linked to one of Dr. Don's videos.

That one isn't as hilarious as the video of Dr. Don testifying before the Texas Board of Education.

And how did that work out for YECs?
 

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You are prepared to discuss Dr. Jones and his book?
Look jack, I am not here to argue with you, I just want to know how you get past the Bible with all this info/chronologies. To me it seems like I would be questioning the knowledge of God. It even appears that Jesus, in the Bible, taught the world was young. I just don't see how someone can say this without rejecting the Bible.
It wouldn't only be a discussion of Jones, did you see the list of people he cited that came up with dates for creation? I just want to know how you can interpret the Bible so differently than the chronologies.
 
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Kent Hovind has been released at last with all charges against him dropped - just another genius being made to suffer - wincam
 
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Kent Hovind has been released at last with all charges against him dropped - just another genius being made to suffer - wincam
Please post the pic you took with your cell phone of Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) walking the street a free man.

What makes you think Dr. Dino is a genius?

Did you read his doctoral dissertation?
 
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Please post the pic you took with your cell phone of Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) walking the street a free man.

What makes you think Dr. Dino is a genius?

Did you read his doctoral dissertation?

did you read via google [Quick....lets discriminate] or [The Illusion of Academic Freedom] or [The slaughter of the Dissidents] - wincam
 
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I've got one for you: What does any of this gibberish have to do with Kent Hovind? Or have you forgotten that is the title of the thread that you started? What does Dr. Carson's view -- and yes, he is Adventist, and I don't know if he is YEC or not -- have to do with Hovind being a "total joke"?

Let me connect the dots for you.

Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) got much of his young earth and flood geology spiel from Henry Morris, founder of Institute for Creation Research.

Henry Morris got much of his young earth and flood geology spiel from 7th-Day Adventists like George McGready Price and Ellen G. White.

YECs in these forums spend a lot of time bashing 7th-Day Adventists, not even realizing that is where they get a lot of their YEC nonsense.

I find that quite amusing, don't you?