None Good...No Not One!
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It's often as if a robotic script, that is never off topic, as if responses from a machine that just continues rambling on, when scripture truth clashes, "Does not compute. Does not compute. I am without sin. You will lose your salvation. Believing you are saved is of the devil. Your salvation does not compute."
I forgot to add. What you believe is lies of the devil and dangerous, my friend. Love you. Kissy kissy.
I forgot to add. What you believe is lies of the devil and dangerous, my friend. Love you. Kissy kissy.
What blows my mind is the rejection of verb tenses, inspired words in context and a refusal to be open to learning and instruction......I have numerous times posted the correct, literal translation or verb tens of an inspired word or words and they get swept under the table.....God inspired EVERY verb tense and word found and they cannot be swept under the rug just because they contradict your theology. One word can make or break context and just like Satan in the garden....the addition of words and or phraseology turns the truth into a lie.....seems common with those who deny eternal security!
J
I find the phony familiarity that's out of place, though, a tell, like the way psychotics feign emotions. Platitudes of piety are a common device of the disingenuous in the Christian community, like putting wrapping paper and ribbon around a box with a bomb in it. The loudest holy Joes are the ones who always seem to get caught with their pants down, too.
Dear Reborn:
Please answer these questions honestly above.
Please take note that if you do not believe the above, I am willing to say... "I am sorry."
But if you do in fact believe the above, then I would like an apology, my friend.
For you have to understand that in my experience, most I have run into who believe in OSAS believe in the list that I provided.
Thank you.
And may God bless you.
Please answer these questions honestly above.
Please take note that if you do not believe the above, I am willing to say... "I am sorry."
But if you do in fact believe the above, then I would like an apology, my friend.
For you have to understand that in my experience, most I have run into who believe in OSAS believe in the list that I provided.
Thank you.
And may God bless you.
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J
Wow, 42 pages?
Truth be told, message boards are HORRIBLE for debate because there is no true dialogue. Can't really ask direct questions and get an immediate direct answer, can't figure out "delivery," among other things, and that's why I stopped "debating" this topic. Honestly, there is nothing conclusive in the Bible for either argument. For each scripture that you give regarding sin nature, another is telling us we shouldn't sin. While many quote Romans 8:39 as proof of OSAS ignore that fact that agapēs is the word used in that scripture, the same love that God showed "while we were yet sinners." In short, people will always bicker about this. Like I stated earlier, as long as we know that if we sin, we have an advocate to the father, that is all that really matter.
But man, 42 pages.
Truth be told, message boards are HORRIBLE for debate because there is no true dialogue. Can't really ask direct questions and get an immediate direct answer, can't figure out "delivery," among other things, and that's why I stopped "debating" this topic. Honestly, there is nothing conclusive in the Bible for either argument. For each scripture that you give regarding sin nature, another is telling us we shouldn't sin. While many quote Romans 8:39 as proof of OSAS ignore that fact that agapēs is the word used in that scripture, the same love that God showed "while we were yet sinners." In short, people will always bicker about this. Like I stated earlier, as long as we know that if we sin, we have an advocate to the father, that is all that really matter.
But man, 42 pages.
I think it is a very important topic to discuss and understand because the Bible does not teach we as believers will be slaves to our sin. For the Scriptures say, "Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil." This would be the works of the devil within a believer's life. Romans chapter 6 makes a contrast. You will either be a slave to sin or you will be a slave to righteousness. One who is slave to something has a Master at the end of which they are being a slave to. The Scrptures say he that sins is of the devil. The Scriptures also say that he that does righteousness is of God. Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Peter identifies certain false prophets as not having ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).
In other words, what is your mindset or focus? Is one thinking they will be a slave to sin and do bad always at some point in their life? Or is one thinking they will live for God and be holy and put away sin out of their life and live unto the Lord and His righteousness? What is the better option? Does an alcoholic give into defeat and just remain an alcoholic? Or does the alcoholic desire to be sober and free from his addiction?
According to his own doctrine...if he is not perfect yet then he is still in sin and lost.....how many times has he equated sinless (PERFECTION) with the key to heaven and if you are not perfect you are in sin, a slave to sin and on your way to hell.....
Originally Posted by Jason0047
I am also not perfect yet.
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According to his own doctrine...if he is not perfect yet then he is still in sin and lost.....how many times has he equated sinless (PERFECTION) with the key to heaven and if you are not perfect you are in sin, a slave to sin and on your way to hell.....
Originally Posted by Jason0047
I am also not perfect yet.
I honestly believe he has no intention of acknowledging the truth concerning the OP on this thread....He will undermine his own sin with phraseology like (slipping up) will deny he sins and is perfect then say he is not perfect YET, while denying the inspired word that is mistranslated (perfect) by the King Jim scholars who taught works for salvation......this guy will ride his high horse all the way to the proverbial gates because of the inability to accept and acknowledge the inspired words, verb tenses and contextual structure of the word of God.......He boasts of DISCUSSING scripture, but in all actuality discusses nothing but his own interpretation instead of letting the words actually speak and refuses to be open to the fact that he is wrong.....someone who is like that will reject the truth every time.......God inspired every word, verb tense and context.....they cannot be swept under the rug in favor of opinion, conjecture, supposition, guesses etc.........