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Wrong! He has those days because he's being honest, while you wear a mask of what we're supposed to be, instead of what you truly are.
It does get tiresome.
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It does get tiresome.
Jesus said this...
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Therefore a good question to ask ourselves is...
Are our deeds wrought in God because we have come to the light?
Peter wrote...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Do we live our time in the flesh according to the lusts of men?
Or do we live our time in the flesh to the will of God and hence no more walk in "lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries."
Jesus did teach...
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Have we lost our life in order to find it?
The majority won't because they love the world, something we are warned about by John...
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Very few will find life...
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Very many people will profess "Lord, Lord" and yet will be rejected by Jesus...
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These people remained workers of iniquity. In other words they never forsook "working iniquity." These people never departed from iniquity...
2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
The people mentioned in Mat 7:22 clearly never departed from iniquity.
We have to both HEAR AND DO...
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
It is very easy to ignore these very simple teachings from the Bible. It is very easy to force them from the mind and take comfort in a false message which has been created to subvert any notion of one being required to "die to the world." If one can force such a notion from the mind then one can suppress the light of conscience whereby one can more easily engage in rebellion to God without concern for what that will actually reap in actual reality.
Reality is king, not delusion.
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Viligant_Warrior
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C.S. Lewis doubted. Charles Haddon Spurgeon doubted. Martin Luther doubted. Who are you to say they were "weak" in faith? Who are you to say I am weak in faith? If a Christian never has doubts or questions, very likely he/she is not a Christian at all.
Sound doctrine teaches that we are still in the flesh, and when we falter, it is because we have chosen the way of the flesh over the way of the Spirit. Yes, we crucify the flesh. But it is a mistake to think that means the flesh is then dead and inactive.
You and those others who preach "perfection" and "victory" have a fundamental misunderstanding of Death. If you don't understand Death, you will not understand Life in Christ. I want you, Mikko, to read this rather long post -- it is repeated from at least two other times I've posted in this section of the forum -- before you reply.
Death isn't a state of "not being," but simply another state of being. It is existence, but it is existence apart from God. It is conscious existence, able to function and move. Those who are dead can, and do, will and act, The spiritually dead -- the lost among us -- function. They operate. They perform. But they do it all in a realm other than that of Light. They do it in the realm of darkness. It is they whom Jesus speaks of in His conversation with Nicodemus in John 3.
This tells us that Death is quite functional. Death is actually quite dynamic and powerful. It is able to exist and move. And it has many characteristics. They are familiar to all of us: Fear, condemnation, a false knowledge of God. And more. These are all of the realm of death and darkness. They are very real, and they are all part of Death.
That is why our "old man" can be totally dead, yet exert such influence over us. The influence he exerts, through fear, condemnation, sin, and error, is death. Those influences are traits of death. Consequently, rather than indicate that our "old man" is still alive, all of the terrible traits of the "old man" are nothing more than proof that he is dead. The "old man" is simply acting the way a dead man acts.
We have had this backwards. We have thought that when our flesh won't behave, that our "old man" is alive. We think he has somehow been temporarily resurrected or something. So we say things like, "I must put my old man to death," etc. But this is not what is happening. When our flesh won't behave, it isn't the old man alive all over again.
No! He is once for all dead! Just as surely as Christ died. And he cannot be raised up out of the death of Christ! Rather, when the old man won't behave, or influences us with fear and darkness, it is his "deadness" manifesting itself. It is death residing in our old man, and it is simply acting like death acts.
Where does this leave us with regard to victory over him? Believe it or not, it leaves us with complete victory over him. How so? Because despite the fact that the old man of sin does not behave very well, and often makes it difficult for us to obey God, it is nevertheless a fact that he no longer has dominion over us! Through the resurrection of Christ, we have been given victory over him!
Romans 6, NASB
11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Here we see the essence of the change which has taken place within one who is born again. Before Christ, we were the "old man," completely bound to obey darkness and death. After Christ, we are a new creation. The "old man" cannot make us do anything. He no longer has dominion over us. We do not have to yield to him. We are free to walk with Jesus Christ.
But don't misunderstand. The old man is not changed. He is not redeemed. Neither is he gone from our presence. No. Not one place in Scripture does God ever say that the "old man" has been changed into a new creation. We are never told that God saves the old creation in Adam, and imparts to it the ability to obey God. But what does God say? He says that we are set free from the old man. In other words, through Christ, God severs the grip which the old man had upon us.
In Jesus Christ, we are born into a new realm, as a new creation. This is completely separate from the old realm, where the power of death and darkness can move. Therefore, the old man in Adam really has no power over us at all! He has no ability, as he did before Christ, to govern us.
Then why does he govern so many Christians? Because we don't believe the Truth just mentioned. Or, worse, don't want to believe it. We don't really believe the old man is dead in Christ. We don't believe his power is gone. And watch this very, very closely, reread it as many times as it takes for it to sink in: We believe he is alive, and that it is up to us to get victory over him. That is a lie directly from Satan. We believe this because the old man is still hanging around our necks. And we think that the influence which the realm of darkness exerts through him is evidence he is alive. It isn't. It is evidence of death. Just as it is evidenced in the lives of the unsaved around us!
Deception is the only power the enemy has over the Christian. Since the enemy has already been totally defeated by Christ, his only device is to deceive us into thinking he hasn't been defeated. But if we believe this lie, how can we possibly ever walk in Christ's victory? By definition, we will have denied it. We will spend our energy and faith trying to win a victory over an enemy who is already defeated!
There are many Truths in the Bible which are vital. But the foundation of Christianity is the most important. It states, clearly and unequivocally, that Jesus Christ has won all victory. He hasn't left any victories for us to win. That is the basis of all faith. It is the basis of walking in victory. Without this, we have no salvation by grace.
We cannot overcome.
We cannot grow.
We really have no access to God.
We must believe this Truth and grow to walk in it. Otherwise, we walk in death that we have been delivered out of by the blood of Christ.
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repent of what?
in different words ((to try to convey the truth to the deaf/blind)) , from SCRIPTURE, as corrie ten boom said, repent of being enemies of christ, of being selfish, loving the world and the things of the world,
turn to yahweh(god) away from all sin forever, forsaking sin abhorring your natural carnal unregenerate lives as you would leprosy.
in different words ((to try to convey the truth to the deaf/blind)) , from SCRIPTURE, as corrie ten boom said, repent of being enemies of christ, of being selfish, loving the world and the things of the world,
turn to yahweh(god) away from all sin forever, forsaking sin abhorring your natural carnal unregenerate lives as you would leprosy.
This is where the rubber meets the road in the kingdom.
The Bible says the Holy Spirit will show you things to come and that love rejoices in the truth.
As a former Pastor, it was my job to let people know they need to spiritually grow. It was my job to speak into their life. This also includes allowing the Holy Spirit to show me the hidden pet sins, the faults, the cracks in the Armour. Likewise, it is my job to speak words of edification, encouragement and comfort to them. Some Pastors do not rely on the Holy Spirit to show them things and have zero love walk. If the Pastor does not have the love of God poured out in his heart for the people God has given him, he will never go anywhere in his own life or be used to create world changers for the Kingdom.
The Holy Spirit has also shown me who is not a christian. I have no right to speak into their lives other than through prayer or from the pulpit.
Some Pastors today have no anointing, they are spiritual, but not spirit led and want to be your friend and buddy.
No, you are the PASTOR, that means you are accountable for not only what you preach, but how you lead the sheep.
The best times I had as a Pastor is when the people begin trusting you, and then allow you to speak into their lives and not just from the pulpit. I have had intense moments of fellowship at times and a few times actually rebuke someone with 2 or 3 witnesses.
The greatest thing love can do is rejoice in the truth and correction given in love to a believer are faithful. Even if the receiver believes they have been wounded. Prov 27.6 bears this out.
People do not let Pastors speak into their lives at a level that will allow the Holy Spirit to lead them to repent or grow, because quite frankly, they do not understand that is what their Pastor should be allowed to do, if granted permission to do so.
The largest issue facing the church is that fact most still preach sin consciousness and not righteousness consciousness. Yet you cannot preach this until you understand what true grace is. Then we can leave behind the elementary doctrines and move to growth. If we preach righteous as position and not personal performance, as the Bible shows us, you will never have to tell someone to "live righteously", because they will do so more on accident, than on purpose.
This is because this guy and millions of Christians are hung up on the lie from hell, that they have to help Jesus on the cross.
JESUS+ NOTHING= EVERYTHING!
here is the crux of the problem:
"No one can tell by the actions of another if that person is a Christian,"
in the NT this is shown to be a false statement,
thus the ones here on the forum who 'fight' against the true gospel and against the other posters who live the gospel of jesus ... ... ...
and those who fight against the true gospel make all kinds of false claims against those who are living the gospel of jesus - from calling them 'legalists' (one of the most popular false claims) to saying they're so 'proud' or 'self-righteous' or any number of other things....
because those who fight against the true gospel CANNOT TELL the lie from the truth - they are unable to but have STAKED THEIR SOUL/ LIFE on a false gospel that they must defend at all costs to protect what they think is their salvation, instead of truly turning to yahweh to be saved in jesus gospel....
this argument/ arguing goes round and round, because they have been completely deceived/tricked/hoodwinked AND because they have others who pat them on the back every time they tear down the true disciples and true faith of jesus, thus searing even more their own already damaged or dead conscience until they cannot tell a million watt spotlight from a deep dark cave with no light....... or a living savior king messiah master from an angel of light (in appearance only)....
thus, the dilemma here/ elsewhere/ is there any way to help those who don't want help, who think they have it made even though their lives haven't changed in any way distinguishable from their pagan neighbors/family/friends/church ....
is there any way....
someone already died for them....
"No one can tell by the actions of another if that person is a Christian,"
in the NT this is shown to be a false statement,
thus the ones here on the forum who 'fight' against the true gospel and against the other posters who live the gospel of jesus ... ... ...
and those who fight against the true gospel make all kinds of false claims against those who are living the gospel of jesus - from calling them 'legalists' (one of the most popular false claims) to saying they're so 'proud' or 'self-righteous' or any number of other things....
because those who fight against the true gospel CANNOT TELL the lie from the truth - they are unable to but have STAKED THEIR SOUL/ LIFE on a false gospel that they must defend at all costs to protect what they think is their salvation, instead of truly turning to yahweh to be saved in jesus gospel....
this argument/ arguing goes round and round, because they have been completely deceived/tricked/hoodwinked AND because they have others who pat them on the back every time they tear down the true disciples and true faith of jesus, thus searing even more their own already damaged or dead conscience until they cannot tell a million watt spotlight from a deep dark cave with no light....... or a living savior king messiah master from an angel of light (in appearance only)....
thus, the dilemma here/ elsewhere/ is there any way to help those who don't want help, who think they have it made even though their lives haven't changed in any way distinguishable from their pagan neighbors/family/friends/church ....
is there any way....
someone already died for them....
that's the 'secret' , for you, for now. the truth is on purpose hidden by God from you.
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Galahad
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No. I think you have Viligant (sic) confused with me. I am Sir Galahad. I am commonly known as the Perfect Knight. Perfect in courage, courtesy, chivalry, and gentleness. Plus I'm the fellow who pulled the sword from the stone. That's an indication that I'm the best knight.
Humble too.
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atwhatcost
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Hm, funny! I though God is king. Either way, you live under the delusion. Condemnation as a gospel makes for a very false gospel especially when you judge people for doing what you're doing yourself.Jesus said this...
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Therefore a good question to ask ourselves is...
Are our deeds wrought in God because we have come to the light?
Peter wrote...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Do we live our time in the flesh according to the lusts of men?
Or do we live our time in the flesh to the will of God and hence no more walk in "lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries."
Jesus did teach...
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Have we lost our life in order to find it?
The majority won't because they love the world, something we are warned about by John...
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Very few will find life...
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Very many people will profess "Lord, Lord" and yet will be rejected by Jesus...
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
These people remained workers of iniquity. In other words they never forsook "working iniquity." These people never departed from iniquity...
2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
The people mentioned in Mat 7:22 clearly never departed from iniquity.
We have to both HEAR AND DO...
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
It is very easy to ignore these very simple teachings from the Bible. It is very easy to force them from the mind and take comfort in a false message which has been created to subvert any notion of one being required to "die to the world." If one can force such a notion from the mind then one can suppress the light of conscience whereby one can more easily engage in rebellion to God without concern for what that will actually reap in actual reality.
Reality is king, not delusion.
Isn't this you entertaining yourself and pretending it's something else? After all, you're under the delusion that you're talking to nonbelievers while teaching movies and games are evil. I suspect you've never been one to figure out what evil is. No biggie, but you never learned what good is too, and there you miss God.
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atwhatcost
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"Former Pastor?" Isn't that like being a former marine? Once a marine/pastor, always a marine/pastor.
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Galahad
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Utah, I see you LIKEd my reply below. Wanna know the truth. I think it's great. Especially the humble part! Thank you.
as corrie ten boom repeated from scripture and experience with god in jesus,
the only man jesus cannot help is the one who thinks himself good - i.e. no thought even of seeking repentance. (the carnal man prefers comix to scripture)
if someone really wants to learn how not to be carnal, god may provide* all that is needed for him to know this. but those who revel in their carnality/worldliness/sin/ and don't care what god thinks, he may just let them go on thinking whatever they think right up until judgment day.
*god has provided all that is needed, in HIS WORD, but even as peter did not learn from study/ reading / flesh/ blood/ but by revelation (as yahshua stated clearly), so too it is TODAY also. i.e. yahweh's revelation is required or there is nothing...
the only man jesus cannot help is the one who thinks himself good - i.e. no thought even of seeking repentance. (the carnal man prefers comix to scripture)
if someone really wants to learn how not to be carnal, god may provide* all that is needed for him to know this. but those who revel in their carnality/worldliness/sin/ and don't care what god thinks, he may just let them go on thinking whatever they think right up until judgment day.
*god has provided all that is needed, in HIS WORD, but even as peter did not learn from study/ reading / flesh/ blood/ but by revelation (as yahshua stated clearly), so too it is TODAY also. i.e. yahweh's revelation is required or there is nothing...
I love all your posts and everything you bring to the Lord's Table.
Blessings always, my Brother!
