The son of perdition (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

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1. Now we beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; 2. to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; 3. let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4. he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

The mankind of today, especially in a western world, represent that Son of perdition, which has exalt himself above everything that is called god.
 
1. Now we beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; 2. to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; 3. let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4. he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

The mankind of today, especially in a western world, represent that Son of perdition, which has exalt himself above everything that is called god.


You, as well as a few on this site should do an intensive study of the Greek definite article that is translated (THE)......and the singularity of the word MAN....not to mention how it is applied unto SON of Perdition and the personal pronoun HE.......Serious!
 
You, as well as a few on this site should do an intensive study of the Greek definite article that is translated (THE)......and the singularity of the word MAN....not to mention how it is applied unto SON of Perdition and the personal pronoun HE.......Serious!
Yeah, he isn't "mankind." He's a specific as yet unknown individual. Amen.
 
Yeah, he isn't "mankind." He's a specific as yet unknown individual. Amen.

Amen to that......blows my mind how simple words are ignored, over looked or flat rejected...even though it clearly states that EVERY word of God is INSPIRED, given for a reason and profitable.......2nd Timothy 3:16-17
 
dcon,

Some people come to the forum to exchange ideas and learn from each other, or to be helpful; or both.

Others come to stir up arguments for their own entertainment--whether or not we call them trolls.


We are not supposed to make personal attacks; so I'll refrain from that but we all know who they are.
 
Yeah, he isn't "mankind." He's a specific as yet unknown individual. Amen.

You do not want to see this, because you live in this big delusion.

And yes, we may call him he, but he is a spirit which mankind of today follow, but a man he is not, and he is here, and have been there for long time now.
 
You do not want to see this, because you live in this big delusion.

And yes, we may call him he, but he is a spirit which mankind of today follow, but a man he is not, and he is here, and have been there for long time now.

Are you smoking some kind of funny smelling cigarettes? :confused:
 
This is what Jesus said about the "son of perdition."

John 17:12) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

That would be Judas, he met an untimely end.

So, maybe there is more than one? Either way, the "world" does not represent this person whoever he was or is or will be........(in my opinion)
 
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Are you smoking some kind of funny smelling cigarettes? :confused:

Is it hard to believe that there is a bad spirit, or spirit's which effecting mankind of today?

12. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12)
 
You people's are blinded, because your heart is in this world, and God's word can't have no space on you, and that's why, it is impossible to you, to see the truth.

There is no space in you, for the truth.

Wake up.
 
You people's are blinded, because your heart is in this world, and God's word can't have no space on you, and that's why, it is impossible to you, to see the truth.

There is no space in you, for the truth.

Wake up.


A bit judgmental?
 
1. Now we beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; 2. to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; 3. let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4. he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)

The mankind of today, especially in a western world, represent that Son of perdition, which has exalt himself above everything that is called god.

Mikko is telling the truth.

The word translated "man" in 2Th 2:3 is Anthropos in the Greek. The word "Tis" is not used there.

Anthropos is never used to identify a certain man with an identity. The exception often alluded to in Mat 9:9 has the name "Matthew" added to the text by the author whilst the narrative is speaking of Jesus seeing a certain man without identity, ie. Jesus simply saw a male human being.


Here is what Thayer's Greek Lexicon explains about "Anthropos" (ἄνθρωπος)...
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Thayer's Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament


Here is what Vine's Expository Dictionary explains about "Anthropos" (ἄνθρωπος)...
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is used (a) generally, of "a human being, male or female," without reference to sex or nationality, e.g., Matt. 4:4; 12:35; John 2:25; (b) in distinction from God, e.g., Matt. 19:6; John 10:33; Gal. 1:11; Col. 3:23; (c) in distinction from animals, etc., e.g., Luke 5:10; (d) sometimes, in the plural, of "men and women," people, e.g., Matt. 5:13,16; in Mark 11:2; 1 Tim. 6:16, lit., "no one of men;" (e) in some instances with a suggestion of human frailty and imperfection, e.g., 1 Cor. 2:5; Acts 14:15 (2nd part); (f) in the phrase translated "after man," "after the manner of men," "as a man" (AV), lit. "according to (kata) man," is used only by the Apostle Paul, of "(1) the practices of fallen humanity, 1 Cor. 3:3; (2) anything of human origin, Gal. 1:11; (3) the laws that govern the administration of justice among men, Rom. 3:5; (4) the standard generally accepted among men, Gal. 3:15; (5) an illustration not drawn from Scripture, 1 Cor. 9:8; (6) probably = 'to use a figurative expression' (see AV, marg.), i.e., to speak evil of men with whom he had contended at Ephesus as 'beasts' (cp. 1 Cor. 4:6), 1 Cor. 15:32; Lightfoot prefers 'from worldly motives'; but the other interpretation, No. (4), seems to make better sense. See also Rom. 6:19, where, however, the Greek is slightly different, anthropinos, 'pertaining to mankind;'" the meaning is as Nos. (5) and (6). * [* From Notes on Galatians, by Hogg and Vine, p. 139.] (g) in the phrase "the inward man," the regenerate person's spiritual nature personified, the inner self of the believer, Rom. 7:22, as approving of the law of God; in Eph. 3:16, as the sphere of the renewing power of the Holy Spirit; in 2 Cor. 4:16 (where anthropos is not repeated), in contrast to "the outward man," the physical frame, the "man" as congnizable by the senses; the "inward" man is identical with "the hidden man of the heart," 1 Pet. 3:4.
(h) in the expressions "the old man," "the new man," which are confined to Paul's Epistles, the former standing for the unregenerate nature personified as the former self of a believer, which, haveing been crucified with Christ, Rom. 6:6, is to be apprehended practically as such, and to be "put off," Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9, being the source and seat of sin; the latter, "the new man," standing for the new nature personified as the believer's regenerate self, a nature "created in righteousness and holiness of truth," Eph. 4:24, and having been "put on" at regeneration, Col. 3:10; being "renewed after the image of Him that created him," it is to be "put on" in pratical apprehension of these facts.
(i) often joined with another noun, e.g., Matt. 11:19, lit., "a man, a glutton;" Matt. 13:52, lit., "a man, a householder;" Matt. 18:23, "a certain king," lit., "a man, a king."
(j) as equivalent simply to "a person," or "one," whether "man" or woman, e.g., Acts 19:16; Rom. 3:28; Gal. 2:16; Jas. 1:19; 2:24; 3:8 (like the pronoun tis, "someone;" tis is rendered "man" in Matt. 8:28); or, again (as tis sometimes signifies), "a man," e.g., Matt. 17:14; Luke 13:19.
(k) definitely, with the article, of some particular person, Matt. 12:13; Mark 3:3,5; or with the demonstrative pronoun and the article, e.g., Matt. 12:45; Luke 14:30. For the phrase "the Son of man" see SON OF MAN. For "the man of sin," 2 Thess. 2:3, see INIQUITY, No. 1.
(l) in the phrase "the man of God," 2 Tim. 3:17, not used as an official designation, nor denoting a special class of believers, it specifies what every believer should be, namely, a person whose life and conduct represent the mind of God and fulfill His will; so in 1 Tim 6:11, "O man of God." Some regard this in the OT sense as of a prophet acting in a distinctive character, possessed of Divine authority; but the context is of such a general character as to confirm the more extended designation here.
Notes: (1) In Gal. 3:28, the RV adds the italicized word "man" ("ye all are one man in Christ Jesus"), in accordance with Eph. 2:15, which speaks of Jew and Gentile as becoming "one new man" in Christ. The figure is closely analogous to that of "the body." In these two passages "one" is masculine, i.e., "one person;" in John 10:30; 11:52; 17:21,22,23, "one" is neuter, "one thing," as in 1 Cor. 3:8; 11:5. The first two, in Gal. 3 and Eph. 2, express vital union, present and eternal; in John 17 the union is moral, a process in course of accomplishment. (2) For philanthropia, Titus 3:4, "(His) love toward man," see KIND, C, No. 2. (3) In Rev. 9:20, the RV translates the genitive plural of anthropos with the article, "mankind" (AV, "the men"); it might have been rendered "(the rest) of men."
Vines Topical Bible


Here is a link to Walter Bauers Greek Lexicon
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52343287/Greek-Lexicon



2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Paul is simply warning people that gathering together with Christ will only occur after the falling away occurs first in conjunction with the revealing of the man of sin.

We are supposed to be the temple of God but the man of sin is representative of religious people in which self still sits upon the throne. It is in the latter times that such can take place in association with a falling away from the truth.

The "Mystery of Iniquity" has infected the established church system with Gnostic Dualism. The word "Mystery" in the Greek denotes the secrecy surrounding the philosophy hidden via the initiation into secret rites. Ever since Babylon there has been a religious philosophy which utterly opposes God but it has been veiled via the use of symbolism, rhetoric and rites. The philosophy of this ancient religious philosophy infiltrated nominal Christianity through Rome and it lies at the root of much of what purports to be Christianity today.

The true meaning of the "Mark of the Beast" is also connected to the use of the word "Anthropos" in the Greek. The Mark of the Beast is recieved by people who have been deceived by the false Christianity in the world today. They receive in their minds eye ("forehead" translated from "Metopon" literally means "with an eye" in the Greek) the mark of Satan which is simply a present state of the human mind being set on the flesh (mainly due to the teaching of "sin you will and sin you must" wrought via the deceptive doctrine of Original Sin). In other words the "Mark of the Beast" is simply the carnal mind working in conjunction with the notion that "one can sin and not surely die."

The Mark of God is...
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

The Mark of the Beast is...
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The church system causes the deceived to receive the notion of being able to sin and not surely die as they operate in carnality with themselves sitting as gods in their own temple. These people refused to crucify their flesh with the passions and desires and yield with a single mind to God. Only those with mark are able to "buy and sell," or in other words "engage," in the church system. Those with the mark of God are cast out and are thus unable to do so. Those with the mark of God have already "sold all that they have" in order to "purchase" the pearl of great price and thus in effect need not buy and sell any more.

God purposely hides these things from the wicked so that they will do wickedly and not understand.

None of us have to be wicked. All we have to do is repent of all rebellion to God and yield. If we do that God offers us mercy and a full cleansing, as well as an abundant life.
 
The son of perdition is both specific and not specific. Judas was referred to as the son of perdition. It implies that your father is the one destined for damnation- which is satan. I think the son of perdition today is the pope- he sits on the throne of God. I saw my grandmother, and many others bow down and worship him, and he joyfully accepted it. Yet in revelation when John started to bow down and worship the angel, the angel rebuked him sharply saying he was a fellow servant, to worship God only.
 
I believe that this next part of our dear brother Paulos' letter describes the Son of perdition, pretty well.

1. But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. 2. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3. without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 4. traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5. holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away. 6. For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts, 7. ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8. And even as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also withstand the truth. Men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith. 9. But they shall proceed no further. For their folly shall be evident unto all men, as theirs also came to be. (2 Timothy 3:1-9)

And like we may learn in this letter, that it is not about question of some gentiles, but it is about man whom had the form of godliness, so it is likely that, this describes the later day's believer's.

The time what we live right now is, the time of the last time's
 
State of Delusion
[video=youtube;XPuhbm74JRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuhbm74JRU[/video]
 
This is a wake up call for you people's, and empty lovely word's won't help anybody, like we can see in the situation of today's christianity.

and not obeying the Commandments Jesus gave us............those being the Two Greatest, ain't gonna do much good for the church either is it? No reason to be judgmental towards others. You have every right to express your thoughts, and other folks have every right to express theirs. Even if they are in disagreement with yours. Does not make them "bad" people.
 
QUOTING;


The mankind of today, especially in a western world, represent that Son of perdition, which has exalt himself above everything that is called god.



Mikko is telling the truth.


Read through the info you provided, didn't see where the Scripture speaking of the son of perdition was directly speaking of "western world." Maybe I missed that part. Is there a more specific translation that says the "western world" as a whole is the "son of perdition?" Wouldn't there have to be for the assertion in the OP to be truth? Maybe, maybe not.

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You said: Anthropos is never used to identify a certain man with an identity. The exception often alluded to in Mat 9:9 has the name "Matthew" added to the text by the author whilst the narrative is speaking of Jesus seeing a certain man without identity, ie. Jesus simply saw a male human being.



This shows Jesus saw "a male human being," not the "western world" which is comprised of millions upon millions of human beings, some male, most female.............and that part was excluded in the OP...........that most of the population is female, unless he was using the "generic" male to reference.
 
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