OSAS doctrine denies the faith
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You call what the scriptures say would happen a lie, I call it the Truth.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I speak the Truth according to the words of God.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
I speak the Truth according to the words of God.
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth
They want to hear feel good preachers who tell them they can sin all they want and still be "IN CHRIST" WHICH IS A LIE.
Jn 15:1-6
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
KJV
I believe that this passage attempts to deal with the person who prays a prayer asking Jesus to be their Savior without accepting Jesus as Lord.
I believe that the operative premise here is that the indwelling Holy Spirit does produce fruit in EVERY true believer.
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
If we look at the parable of the tares, we see that the tares look like believers but do not bear good fruit.
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
KJV
I believe that this passage attempts to deal with the person who prays a prayer asking Jesus to be their Savior without accepting Jesus as Lord.
I believe that the operative premise here is that the indwelling Holy Spirit does produce fruit in EVERY true believer.
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
If we look at the parable of the tares, we see that the tares look like believers but do not bear good fruit.
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What she posted was what God says, how is God's words a lie? Here is her post...
Originally Posted by DesiredHaven
We are to abide in the doctrine of Christ,
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
The Father removes the branches that bear no fruit and men gather these branches
Psalm 125:5As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, (((( the LORD ))))) shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel. [ end quote]
You people are calling what God says is true a lie, you say a person cannot fall away, Jesus said people would fall away which I've proven by scripture. But you say Gods words are lies. WOW!
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John 15:2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
The Father removes the branches that bear no fruit and men gather these branches
Psalm 125:5As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, (((( the LORD ))))) shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel. [ end quote]
You people are calling what God says is true a lie, you say a person cannot fall away, Jesus said people would fall away which I've proven by scripture. But you say Gods words are lies. WOW!
lol. You people do not get it do you?
John said whoever is born of God can not sin, thus they will abide in God. John did not change his mind a few paragraphs later and claim one who is born of God can STOP abiding in God. he would be contradicting himself.
John said it and made it clear. whoever transgresses has never seen god or known God. What is so hard to understand that they were never saved to begin with??
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Here I will post your accusatory LIE once more.....go cut and paste where anyone who believes in eternal security has said, implied or taught what you are accusing of......or be found a liar! Rather simple.....
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth
They want to hear feel good preachers who tell them they can sin all they want and still be "IN CHRIST" WHICH IS A LIE.
Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth
They want to hear feel good preachers who tell them they can sin all they want and still be "IN CHRIST" WHICH IS A LIE.
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Fools, liars, false teachers, and Judaizers accuse others of doing what they themselves do. In counseling, we call that "Deflection: When the individual is in group therapy and consists of redirecting attention to another group member so as to avoid negative feelings and attitudes about self."
(It is often also accompanied by nervous laughter.)
(It is often also accompanied by nervous laughter.)
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lol. I can post scripture and make it say anything also.
posting scripture and making it agree with all of scripture is demanded by God. we can not just take a passage out of context and call it truth.
She did not prove her point with the scripture she posted. I proved that by posting the scripture which contradicts what she says and believes..
so again, you do not get it.
posting scripture and making it agree with all of scripture is demanded by God. we can not just take a passage out of context and call it truth.
She did not prove her point with the scripture she posted. I proved that by posting the scripture which contradicts what she says and believes..
so again, you do not get it.
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Yes, looked up unbelief
Root
Speaks of making the LORD our trust also yes
Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
And speaks of one heart departing from the LORD here
Jerm 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
These two of departing from the Living God
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Jerm 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed,
and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Let me post context as well so folks will know I can read in context
Root
Speaks of making the LORD our trust also yes
Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
And speaks of one heart departing from the LORD here
Jerm 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
These two of departing from the Living God
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Jerm 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed,
and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Let me post context as well so folks will know I can read in context
