Jesus used real world examples (i.e. parables). Even the Canaanite woman had used a real world example in order to express her faith in Jesus and his ability to heal.
OSAS doctrine denies the faith
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Jesus used real world examples (i.e. parables). Even the Canaanite woman had used a real world example in order to express her faith in Jesus and his ability to heal.
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My life is not the standard. God's Word is the standard. For why do you think my boastings or my struggles should be the standard? The debate here always should rest on the Word of God and not my life. For we are to correct others by the Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God; And we are sanctified with the truth of God's Word.
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Why do you have to be so disingenuous? On the one hand you come here and say you have all this knowledge about God and on the other you can't give a single practical example of you living out your faith.
OSAS cannot be made into a real world example. Jesus used real world examples to illustrate spiritual truth. If there was one doctrine that you think the Lord should have demonstrated in the real world, you would think it be OSAS. No? But it cannot be made into a real world example because it simply is a false teaching that does not exist in the Scriptures. There are too many warnings to the believer that a person has to ignore and twist in order to not see it.
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But you are the one who is trying to compare it to the world. Your hypocrisy is so glaring that it blinds you.
All behavioral teachings in the Bible can be demonstrated by way of a real world example. Just study the parables and you will be able to see that for yourself.
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So why don't you ever give a real world example? Your posts are platitudes about someone else. How does Jason live out his faith? He seems to know how to live out everyones but his own.
Actually there is a Parable in the Scriptures that strongly refutes OSAS. The Parable of the Wedding Banquet (Matthew 22:1-14) The Gentile believer who did not have on a wedding garment was bound hand and foot and was cast into outer darkness. Why? Well, because the garment represents the righteousness of the saints. How so?
Revelation 19:8 says,
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
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We know it is a Gentile believer (Who had on a wedding garment) because in the parable, the first group was specifically invited (who then was killed by the king's servants); And the second group that was invited was a general call to all who were in the highways both bad and good. So the first group was Israel and the second group was the Gentiles. Remember, we are not to pull out the weeds among the wheat until the harvest comes time to reap. Remember, the Son of man is going to send forth his angels and gather all those who offend and work iniquity and cast them out of his Kingdom.
Revelation 19:8 says,
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Side Note:
We know it is a Gentile believer (Who had on a wedding garment) because in the parable, the first group was specifically invited (who then was killed by the king's servants); And the second group that was invited was a general call to all who were in the highways both bad and good. So the first group was Israel and the second group was the Gentiles. Remember, we are not to pull out the weeds among the wheat until the harvest comes time to reap. Remember, the Son of man is going to send forth his angels and gather all those who offend and work iniquity and cast them out of his Kingdom.
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Now, your probably thinking to yourself. That is a stretch connecting two pieces of garment together, right? They cannot possibly both be wedding garments. Actually no. Verses 7 and 9 make it unmistakable in Revelation 19:8 that it is a wedding garment because it connects it with the marriage supper of the Lamb.
Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
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I think it's time that I tell you that I am not a proponent of OSAS. I think the premise of the argument is a false one. Look at it this way bro. God is all powerful and has chosen EVERYTHING from the foundation of the world. He made a promise that if you have faith in Jesus...Himself personified in the flesh.......that He will finish the work He has begun in you because you are ALL THE WAY in with your whole heart, soul and mind......that HE.....is the finisher and protector of your faith....and that HE ....is conforming you to HIS likeness so that you can spend a sin free eternity with HIM in HIS kingdom....and that all you have to do is follow and seek HIM.... all the days of your life and HE will bestow upon you HIS crown that HE won for you. I mean seriously dude...what are you fighting for? Start living a victorious life in JESUS.
Meant to say .... the first group killed the king's servants. This is obviously Israel because Israel was a nation that was specifically chosen and they killed Jesus and many of his disciples. So the invitation went out to the Gentiles (i.e. the highways).
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Yes, I am aware that there are some who claim they are not proponents of OSAS but yet they still hold to some of OSAS's popular teachings and beliefs, though.
Do you believe all future sin is forgiven?
Do you believe a saint can die in an unrepentant sin and still be saved (Like say the sin of "lying", or the sin of "looking upon a woman in lust" and or in or the sin of "hating one's brother")?
Do you believe a saint will forever be a slave to their sin and or not stop in their sin?
In either case, whether one believes in OSAS or not, if a person holds to one of the beliefs above, they essentially are holding to a "sin and still be saved" doctrine (Which is the core of the problem in both beliefs). Both are doctrines of immorality or lawlessness. Yes, it may not be an extreme level of sin for some, but since when was a little bit of sin acceptable to God?
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Holy crap dude.....are you like some weird computer program automatron thinga ma doohickey ma bobber mathingy?
It's called a "typo" and there is a 5 minute editing window involved.
In either case, may the Lord bless you.
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You're autistic aren't you? This isn't a judgement or a making fun of moment....this is a you are diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum.....arent you.
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Honestly...I think autism is a gift. I know that it is to me. My stepson is on the spectrum and he has shown me what it means to choose love.
No, I tend to tune people out when they talk to me in an insulting way. I am here in a Bible discussion forum and I am not on Facebook or a let's make fun of that guy forum. If you don't want to discuss the BIble, then you have come to the wrong forum. I am here in the Bible discussion forum to discuss the Bible. If you want to continue to insult me instead of discussing the Scriptures I will be forced to report your posts that are inappropriate.
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