holy trinty

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Holy trinity is one..that is the truth..but some non Christian cult like jewhova witness deny the holy trinity..they says that there is no trinty mentioned in the bible.but I tell you no one cannot says jesus is god without the holyspirit..1 Corinthians 12:3New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
so now we can understand jewhovas witness not from god but from the world..
1 John 4 New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]On Denying the Incarnation[/h]4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. [SUP]2 [/SUP]This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, [SUP]3 [/SUP]but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

don't believe jewhova witness people sayings because they are not born again Christian with the sprtit of the loard..but they are born again with the spirt of antichrist because they deny the diety of jesus and says jesus is micheal the arc angel and jesus is created being..jeus is not created being he is in the beginng with god..he is the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beging and the end.. Epilogue: Invitation and Warning Revelation 22
Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End...the 2nd coming of jesus..

[h=3]The Word Became Flesh[/h]1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He was with God in the beginning. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. [SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[SUP][a][/SUP] it
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
[SUP]13 [/SUP]children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God
jesus is only one god there is only one god its jesus..this bible verse prove jesus is infact god
jesus is god in flesh
jewhova witness people says that holy sprit is not a person and they says holy sprit is active power of god.what faulse doctrine they think that it similar to radio waves ...holy sprit is god its not similar to radio waves ...they belive like that because they are not from but from the world faulse profert...

[h=3]The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[SUP][b][/SUP] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


jewhova witness is non Christian cult because they are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.


[h=3]Warnings Against Denying the Son[/h] [SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. [SUP]23 [/SUP]No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

this bible verse prove that if you deny jeus diety you will also deny the diety of father...
in john 10:30 jesus said to the parasies that I am the father are one..jeus is same to father jeus is with in the father and father is with in jesus they 2 are same..all things that belong to the father is also belong to jeus

[h=3]Jesus the Way to the Father[/h]
[SUP] [/SUP]Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

this is a bible a verse that is prove that jesus is god,,
god so loved the world that he came to the world to save us from the death that is mystery behind this all doctrines...
god showed us that he can also be a man a be a good human to god...its the mystery behind this doctrines..


jewhova witness deny the hell..but the scripture teach us their is a hell they says that is a symbol but not real..false teachings..think if jeus said to human in symbol can jews people understand those symboul..every thing jesus said is very simple...




[h=3]Imitating Christ’s Humility[/h]:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who, being in very nature[SUP][a][/SUP] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[SUP][b][/SUP] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

now we can understand jeus Is god in flesh there is no jewhova god ...and old testmant jewhova is jeus..
 
can you identify the source of this article for us please? thanks, would like to read more about it
 
Holy trinity is one..that is the truth..but some non Christian cult like jewhova witness deny the holy trinity..they says that there is no trinty mentioned in the bible. The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In the New World Translation of the Bible, the JW's changed John 1:1 to read ..the Word was a god in their desperate attempt to deny that Jesus IS God.
 
In the New World Translation of the Bible, the JW's changed John 1:1 to read ..the Word was a god in their desperate attempt to deny that Jesus IS God.

what they fail to recognise is that if it had said ho logos was ho theos it would have indicated that the words logos and theos were synonymous, and that the Word was all there was of God.

The lack of article indicates that the Word was truly divine but did not make up the whole of God. It makes it the equivalent of an adjective, 'the Word was truly of the nature of God.'
 
If it's biblical why did it take years after Christ, after the NT, and after the early church for people to realize it? JW are wrong in their thinking because they make Jesus lower than God when He was clearly made equal according to OT and NT.

Realize something though, they use Scripture to support a man made doctrine. A person having another beliefs spots it clearly but they themselves don't. Same with all doctrines. Yes, that includes the Trinity.

There are so many things wrong with what I label "god doctrines" out there, if you believe In 3 in one, 3 is one, 2 in one, etc. (yep, there are more) that's fine just don't put down others that don't believe that doctrine idea. Trinity aka the Roman Catholic Church idea, which I might add wasn't very godly then as much as now (no offense to Catholics). The Bible makes it pretty clear that God and Jesus, the Messiah, are separate. The Father and the Son. Jews of which wrote the Bible knew this, Gentiles are who came up with other concepts.

Read the Bible openly, but also research saints, research.

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For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on the Trinity (and associated subjects)...

Yahweh Shalom
 
If it's biblical why did it take years after Christ, after the NT, and after the early church for people to realize it? JW are wrong in their thinking because they make Jesus lower than God when He was clearly made equal according to OT and NT.

Realize something though, they use Scripture to support a man made doctrine. A person having another beliefs spots it clearly but they themselves don't. Same with all doctrines. Yes, that includes the Trinity.

There are so many things wrong with what I label "god doctrines" out there, if you believe In 3 in one, 3 is one, 2 in one, etc. (yep, there are more) that's fine just don't put down others that don't believe that doctrine idea. Trinity aka the Roman Catholic Church idea, which I might add wasn't very godly then as much as now (no offense to Catholics). The Bible makes it pretty clear that God and Jesus, the Messiah, are separate. The Father and the Son. Jews of which wrote the Bible knew this, Gentiles are who came up with other concepts.

Read the Bible openly, but also research saints, research.

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You fail to distinguish between the different forms of these quote-unquote, "God doctrines," thus the language you use is really quite vague, and ambiguous. When you say, "The Bible makes it pretty clear that God and Jesus, the Messiah, are separate," what is it that you're attempting to portray? What do you mean by "separate"?

Unitarians, Binitarians, and Trinitarians all believe that Jesus is distinct from the Father in some way, so the idea of them being "separate," as you can see is really quite vague.

It's of vital significance to understand that there are multiple forms of Unitarianism. One of the heresies of the Early Church was a form of Unitarianism known as Sabellianism, which didn't deny that Jesus was God, but rather, denied that Christ was a distinct Person from the Father. There are multiple Unitarian groups, all with significantly different views of Christ, but the primary belief that they each share is that God is one sole individual. Sabellians on one hand believe that Christ is the Father; Arians believe He is the first thing God ever created; along with His divinity, Socinianism ("Biblical Unitarianism") denies Christ has a personal pre-existence alongside the Father prior to the Genesis creation.

Hopefully you are not suggesting that the Roman Catholic Church is the founder of Trinitarianism. If this is so, I would really like to engage you on this.
 
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If it's biblical why did it take years after Christ, after the NT, and after the early church for people to realize it? JW are wrong in their thinking because they make Jesus lower than God when He was clearly made equal according to OT and NT.

Realize something though, they use Scripture to support a man made doctrine. A person having another beliefs spots it clearly but they themselves don't. Same with all doctrines. Yes, that includes the Trinity.

There are so many things wrong with what I label "god doctrines" out there, if you believe In 3 in one, 3 is one, 2 in one, etc. (yep, there are more) that's fine just don't put down others that don't believe that doctrine idea. Trinity aka the Roman Catholic Church idea, which I might add wasn't very godly then as much as now (no offense to Catholics). The Bible makes it pretty clear that God and Jesus, the Messiah, are separate. The Father and the Son. Jews of which wrote the Bible knew this, Gentiles are who came up with other concepts.

Read the Bible openly, but also research saints, research.

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Also, I would just like to say (and perhaps I'm reading too much into this), but it seems as if you are conflating Trinitarianism with Modalism (or Sabellianism), which is contradictory in and of itself, because Modalism is a form of Unitarianism. It would be contradictory to confuse Trinitarianism with a form of Unitarianism.
 
also jw believe that jeus died not on cross but on a stake...its faulse teaching ..jw people are trying to go another way.by deny the cross..they says that cross it meanless thing no its not because..it means execution
 
jw people deny the soul they says that man have no soul its wrong teaching man have both soul and spirit
john 6:60-64 jeus explained ..flesh does nothing..spirit gives you the life...its the sprit gives you the life...john 6:63 explained it[SUP]63 [/SUP]The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[SUP][a][/SUP] and life.


jewhova witness deny this because they are not belong to jesus ..if they belong to jesus they have to accept that we have a soul ...if we don't believe we have soul...we become similar to animals ..because they have no sprit they have only flesh..
jw people are trying deny importants doctrines of christianty and jesus..