Please do not condemn those who are in Christ with words. The teaching is clear, anyone who is not in Jesus Christ is yet under the law, whether you understand this now or not is no excuse to condemn the family in Christ who do. You are not being condemned by others. It is not your place to judge others in such a manner, and to say another rejects Christ is damning condemnation, forbidden by law in the grace of mercy. Stop and change your attitude now, please, for your own sake. God bless you with understanding. This is at leasst the second time you have accused me of rejecting Christ. Making such allegations will only make you popular with false brethren.
Which laws are and are not valid?
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Nope. . .that comes from Romans which was written to the Jews in Rome.
The "anyone" in Romans is the Jews.
The law was given only to Israel, it was not given to the Gentiles.
Condemnation in these last days (Heb 1:2) is by one thing only--unbelief (Jn 3:18, 36).
Rejecting even part of the NT word of God subjects you to getting most of the NT wrong.
The "anyone" in Romans is the Jews.
The law was given only to Israel, it was not given to the Gentiles.
Condemnation in these last days (Heb 1:2) is by one thing only--unbelief (Jn 3:18, 36).
Rejecting even part of the NT word of God subjects you to getting most of the NT wrong.
Please do not quote loose text from the Holy Scriptures to support an argument not based on all of th eWord. You are not beginning to waste the time of others with your constant contention. What I have posted is from understanding derived from theWord, from Jesus Christ. His burden is easy, His Yoke is light. I love you, but for the time being I am obligated to leave you to your own devises. May God bless you with grace and understanding, patience and long suffering, amen.
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QUOTE=Elin;2082219]Nope. . .that comes from Romans which was written to the Jews in Rome.
The "anyone" in Romans is the Jews.
The law was given only to Israel, it was not given to the Gentiles.
Condemnation in these last days (Heb 1:2) is by one thing only--unbelief (Jn 3:18, 36).
Rejecting even part of the NT word of God subjects you to getting most of the NT wrong.[/QUOTE]
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QUOTE=Elin;2082219]Nope. . .that comes from Romans which was written to the Jews in Rome.
The "anyone" in Romans is the Jews.
The law was given only to Israel, it was not given to the Gentiles.
Condemnation in these last days (Heb 1:2) is by one thing only--unbelief (Jn 3:18, 36).
Rejecting even part of the NT word of God subjects you to getting most of the NT wrong.[/QUOTE]
That's rich. . .
The words of Jesus are your NT north star. . .until you don't agree with them,
then they are just "loose text."
Rich indeed. . .
What I have posted is understanding from the Holy Spirit of the words spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, assuming no personal authority to exclude any.
The words of Jesus are your NT north star. . .until you don't agree with them,
then they are just "loose text."
Rich indeed. . .
What I have posted is understanding from the Holy Spirit of the words spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, assuming no personal authority to exclude any.
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Me too. I have already done that several times, but that doesn't mean it's the end. May God Almighty bless you with His wisdom Elin, and I hope someday we will agree completely on the truth. We can all stand to learn from each other, and God works in multitudes of ways simultaneously. The foundation of agreement is to start with the fact that all of what God has ever delivered to us in our personal experiences, in comparison with His spoken/written word, is still in effect for us today. Once that is agreed upon, the door will be open to do what a church should be doing according to the epistles of Paul.
I have been thinking on that you have said - think there is something which I could agreed with also ... but can not see it clearly, so I have been thinking and have a proposal about the foundation - lets start with the fact that all of us must present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable service and to not conformed to this world: but be we transformed by the renewing of our mind, that we may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Now the God of patience and consolation grant us to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:That we may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
It is from Rom. 12:1-2 and 15:4-6
And Elin- thank you for your prayer sister
It is from Rom. 12:1-2 and 15:4-6
And Elin- thank you for your prayer sister
I have been thinking on that you have said - think there is something which I could agreed with also ... but can not see it clearly, so I have been thinking and
have a proposal about the foundation - lets start with the fact that all of us must present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable service and to not conformed to this world: but be we transformed by the renewing of our mind, that we may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Now the God of patience and consolation grant us to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:That we may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
It is from Rom. 12:1-2 and 15:4-6
And Elin- thank you for your prayer sister
have a proposal about the foundation - lets start with the fact that all of us must present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable service and to not conformed to this world: but be we transformed by the renewing of our mind, that we may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Now the God of patience and consolation grant us to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:That we may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
It is from Rom. 12:1-2 and 15:4-6
And Elin- thank you for your prayer sister
In coming to agreement on Christian truth, I just don't see how subjective experience can serve as an objective standard for measuring what is Christian truth.
I see only one objective standard for Christian truth--the word of God written.
Ask yourself if you are trusting in flesh? In a man? In Yourself? We are taught by the Word, only to trust God. Think about this lesson when approaching study of the law from Jesus Christ. I have this wonderful, unbreakable, habit of trusting only Jesus Christ when it comes to His teaching. A strong point of His teachingis, never trust the arm of man. Jesus is just alright with me, yes, He is, amen.
If you believe an angel or a man has told you the law is obsolete, I advise youo to run to Jesus and all of His teaching, and ask Him. You have been invied by God to learn directly from God. By all means, please, do it.
If you believe an angel or a man has told you the law is obsolete, I advise youo to run to Jesus and all of His teaching, and ask Him. You have been invied by God to learn directly from God. By all means, please, do it.
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It is foolish to trust in one who is not totally reliable. If today, some of God's spoken words are no longer any good, because of His New Covenant through Christ Jesus, then that makes God unreliable before Christ was born in the flesh. By teaching that any part of God's words in the Old Covenant are no longer any good for Christians these days, babes in Christ, and unbelievers are less likely to put their total trust in Christ, for He is a perfect representation of God Himself.
"Funny You Should Say That"
Your reasoning is the very same reasoning I concluded in sharing with non-blievers who say Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, but He is a prophet.
In a nutshell, my reply is that their faith is riddled with error, for the Alomighty does not have false prophets, and Jesusw Christ is clear that He and the Father are One, not to mention the names attributed to Jesus by the Prophet, Isaiah in his chapter 9 verse 6.
This refutal of other gods is undeniable, for there is no other god. Jesus Chrsit is Lord, amen.
Your reasoning is the very same reasoning I concluded in sharing with non-blievers who say Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, but He is a prophet.
In a nutshell, my reply is that their faith is riddled with error, for the Alomighty does not have false prophets, and Jesusw Christ is clear that He and the Father are One, not to mention the names attributed to Jesus by the Prophet, Isaiah in his chapter 9 verse 6.
This refutal of other gods is undeniable, for there is no other god. Jesus Chrsit is Lord, amen.
Not only that, but by teaching that God's spoken word of the Old Covenant is no good any longer, teaches that God is the One that broke the Covenant with Israel instead of Israel breaking covenant with God. This puts all the blame on God instead of human iniquity, and our transgressions against God Almighty. Jesus died with our sins, not the breaking of covenant that seemingly (by false doctrine) was instigated by God!!!! If that were the case, there would be no reason to be saved from the wrath of God through Christ Jesus. Why would God be wrathful with the unbelieving human race if He is the One that broke covenant with us? If it's all God's fault, then why should we trust in Him?
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non believer or believers. who decides who get saved. etc
for example
god can save both way, with law or without law.(the new covenant)
if god wants you, he will find you.(this dose not mean stop spreading the word , ie at church, with friends etc etc ) the logos and rhema , are used in many examples in the 66 books. (the holy bible). (we also can learn many different, lesson from these books. etc )
yet none seem to see, gods standard and understanding are higher that ours.
ie we dont have the same IQ,(as humans ) only the father can see, hearts and minds. can teach hearts and minds, in a way that only you know, ie having a personal relationship with god yourself. no matter what level of understanding you have, no matter, how you look at your self. god loves you. no matter if you think you have no chance of his mercy or love, no matter how you see your self, etc. the harvest belong to god, not to us. etc
with voice or actions.
we all have, only an introduction to say, make way, for the king of kings, and step back and watch the father work, through the holy spirit.
there is only one law, believe in god, and he will help you though the a-z of your life. through the ,what you call the good bits and bad bits of your life. etc
god bless.
for example
god can save both way, with law or without law.(the new covenant)
if god wants you, he will find you.(this dose not mean stop spreading the word , ie at church, with friends etc etc ) the logos and rhema , are used in many examples in the 66 books. (the holy bible). (we also can learn many different, lesson from these books. etc )
yet none seem to see, gods standard and understanding are higher that ours.
ie we dont have the same IQ,(as humans ) only the father can see, hearts and minds. can teach hearts and minds, in a way that only you know, ie having a personal relationship with god yourself. no matter what level of understanding you have, no matter, how you look at your self. god loves you. no matter if you think you have no chance of his mercy or love, no matter how you see your self, etc. the harvest belong to god, not to us. etc
with voice or actions.
we all have, only an introduction to say, make way, for the king of kings, and step back and watch the father work, through the holy spirit.
there is only one law, believe in god, and he will help you though the a-z of your life. through the ,what you call the good bits and bad bits of your life. etc
god bless.
Running to Jesus won't change the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers in
Heb 8:13, that the Old (Mosaic) Covenant is obsolete--old and waxing away (finished),
having been replaced with the promised (Jer 31:31-32) New Covenant (Lk 22:20); and
Eph 2:11-16, that the Mosaic regulations, which were a wall of separation and cause of enmity
between Jew and Gentile, have been abolished in the flesh of Christ on the cross.
All running to Jesus can do, if you submit to him instead of your own view, is change
your unbelief to belief of all his words spoken in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
through the NT writers in
Heb 8:13, that the Old (Mosaic) Covenant is obsolete--old and waxing away (finished),
having been replaced with the promised (Jer 31:31-32) New Covenant (Lk 22:20); and
Eph 2:11-16, that the Mosaic regulations, which were a wall of separation and cause of enmity
between Jew and Gentile, have been abolished in the flesh of Christ on the cross.
All running to Jesus can do, if you submit to him instead of your own view, is change
your unbelief to belief of all his words spoken in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.
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Another straw man. . .placing your wisdom above the truth of God's NT word written.
Jer 31:31-34 does not make God unreliable. . .it simply shows that the OT was not the complete plan,
that the complete plan is revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, and was not completely revealed in the words spoken by the prophets and Moses of old.
Jer 31:31-34 does not make God unreliable. . .it simply shows that the OT was not the complete plan,
that the complete plan is revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, and was not completely revealed in the words spoken by the prophets and Moses of old.
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