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Agreed!
I also agree with this to an extent, but I would like to pose you a question. How many people take a few tokes and then put out the joint? Or take a few tokes then put out the pipe? In fact I don't know one pot smoker that smokes it just for smoking it. The either are doing it to get high, or doing it tolessen pain. Both altering the state of mind.
I also agree with this to an extent, but I would like to pose you a question. How many people take a few tokes and then put out the joint? Or take a few tokes then put out the pipe? In fact I don't know one pot smoker that smokes it just for smoking it. The either are doing it to get high, or doing it tolessen pain. Both altering the state of mind.
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I apologize for assuming you didn't, then. :] I'm curious, do you own the book? I tried to look online to see whether I could check the book for citations, but I couldn't find anywhere to check for such a thing, short of buying the book itself. Of course it was 4 in the morning so I wasn't thinking very clearly and might have missed a way to do so.
A botanist should be an entirely legitimate source about plants in ancient text.
Just because Latimer was not Jewish or an etymologist doesn't dismiss his point of view. People are entirely capable of doing research and learning, are they not? :]
Mozeson's a professor of Jewish and Biblical Literature who's also chairman of the Hebrew Language Fellowship of the Root and Branch Association [not sure what his being an Edenist (not Edanist, btw. Those are people looking to create a homeland for Autistic and Aspergic people) has do with dismissing his opinion and research on the matter.]. A perfectly legitimate and credible source.
If you like, here's a Jewish person :]
Anthropologist Vera Rubin (Jewish, so she knows the language and is certainly qualified to comment on it) stated that cannabis "appears in the Old Testament because of the religious and sacred aspect of it." (Rubin 1978)
I'm still not sure why the big deal on the matter of cannabis being an incense is. Myrrh, frankincense, ambergris, even calamus if you reject cannabis as the translation, all are common incense ingredients in the Bible, and all are drugs that can have psychotropic effects. Even cinnamon and cassia, also incense ingredients, are mild stimulants. Cannabis being added to that list hardly suddenly introduces some sort of sinful drug effect that wasn't there before.
A botanist should be an entirely legitimate source about plants in ancient text.
Just because Latimer was not Jewish or an etymologist doesn't dismiss his point of view. People are entirely capable of doing research and learning, are they not? :]
Mozeson's a professor of Jewish and Biblical Literature who's also chairman of the Hebrew Language Fellowship of the Root and Branch Association [not sure what his being an Edenist (not Edanist, btw. Those are people looking to create a homeland for Autistic and Aspergic people) has do with dismissing his opinion and research on the matter.]. A perfectly legitimate and credible source.
If you like, here's a Jewish person :]
Anthropologist Vera Rubin (Jewish, so she knows the language and is certainly qualified to comment on it) stated that cannabis "appears in the Old Testament because of the religious and sacred aspect of it." (Rubin 1978)
I'm still not sure why the big deal on the matter of cannabis being an incense is. Myrrh, frankincense, ambergris, even calamus if you reject cannabis as the translation, all are common incense ingredients in the Bible, and all are drugs that can have psychotropic effects. Even cinnamon and cassia, also incense ingredients, are mild stimulants. Cannabis being added to that list hardly suddenly introduces some sort of sinful drug effect that wasn't there before.
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When it comes to discussing the evils of various substances it's easy to read statistics about rates of crime/accidents related too it's use and say it causes these things to happen.
To me that's the problem with statistics, they leave out the human component, it's always a human responsible for using poor judgement or none at all, it's not the substance, like Dread Zeppelin said she knows more than one beer compromises her so she drinks only one.
I get really sick seeing alcohol related illness cripple the UK health service because booze britain lives on it's alcohol but I don't think alcohol is too blame, it is sadly indicative of a much wider problem, banning alcohol would do no good except cause major civil strife, in England anyway.
As for marijuana, just the same as cigarettes to me, out of sight out of mind each can do what they like with their own body but in my ideal world it wouldn't go on.
I hear the arguments it's relaxing etc..I think it's a bit sad when you need to alter your mind to get by in life, for youngsters I get it is part of growing pains but every older adult I have known using marijuana is doing so to battle depression/for an escape, the exact same reasons many people binge drink.
It all points to a bigger issue needs dealing with.
To me that's the problem with statistics, they leave out the human component, it's always a human responsible for using poor judgement or none at all, it's not the substance, like Dread Zeppelin said she knows more than one beer compromises her so she drinks only one.
I get really sick seeing alcohol related illness cripple the UK health service because booze britain lives on it's alcohol but I don't think alcohol is too blame, it is sadly indicative of a much wider problem, banning alcohol would do no good except cause major civil strife, in England anyway.
As for marijuana, just the same as cigarettes to me, out of sight out of mind each can do what they like with their own body but in my ideal world it wouldn't go on.
I hear the arguments it's relaxing etc..I think it's a bit sad when you need to alter your mind to get by in life, for youngsters I get it is part of growing pains but every older adult I have known using marijuana is doing so to battle depression/for an escape, the exact same reasons many people binge drink.
It all points to a bigger issue needs dealing with.
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ok im a christian of course right, but i believe that God put marijuana on earth i mean we all know that it comes from the earth; planted and grows. So with that being said i honestly dont think there's nothing wrong with smoking it. However, what you might do to get it or the people you might have to hang around you might not be positive, you have to just be in good judgement at all times i do believe that it is most defineitly a path down tempation where the devil can lower you in.
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A lot of plants are on the earth, doesn't mean they are fine to smoke or use. The coca plant is all natural, yet it makes cocaine. It wouldn't be the smartest things to be eating those seeds, we all know that. Or perhaps Morning Glory? It's a plant that is found in a lot of peoples gardens, it seeds are HIGHLY hallucinagenic, it's a plant on this earth, doesn't mean it is fine to use.
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I don't own it, but one of the PSRS's that I work with did, sort of like me owning a Book of Mormon. I think that when you are talking about the translation of the word would require that one is in fact an expert on the language. Being Jewish isn't the issue. The issue is the translation of the Hebrew.
I'm not sure, if you do not understand what the big deal is, that you ever will. Some of it is simply not allowing the Bible to be twisted to mean what it doesn't. Some of it is not allowing the Bible to be used to justify the smoking of marijuana. It is one thing to argue it's morality based upon Biblical principle. It is another one to be able to say God approves of it. Believe me, I've heard incredible things justified through the twisting of scripture, including your argument regarding marijuana. If you are going to hold this position regarding marijuana as part of the temple rites, you'd best be correct. If you want to see the fleshly result, check out the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church.
I'm not sure, if you do not understand what the big deal is, that you ever will. Some of it is simply not allowing the Bible to be twisted to mean what it doesn't. Some of it is not allowing the Bible to be used to justify the smoking of marijuana. It is one thing to argue it's morality based upon Biblical principle. It is another one to be able to say God approves of it. Believe me, I've heard incredible things justified through the twisting of scripture, including your argument regarding marijuana. If you are going to hold this position regarding marijuana as part of the temple rites, you'd best be correct. If you want to see the fleshly result, check out the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church.
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Ah, I see.
Well, being a Jewish person I would expect them to have a knowledge of their own language. Doubly her opinion has weight being an anthropologist who studies people and should know of drug usage of the culture.
I'm just saying, the Bible clearly has other psychoactive drugs burnt as incense, and heck, given to Jesus at His birth, and these ones are clearly not in dispute, and even if it wasn't translated as cannabis it would be calamus, also a psychoactive drug. Cannabis is somehow worse?
Well, being a Jewish person I would expect them to have a knowledge of their own language. Doubly her opinion has weight being an anthropologist who studies people and should know of drug usage of the culture.
I'm just saying, the Bible clearly has other psychoactive drugs burnt as incense, and heck, given to Jesus at His birth, and these ones are clearly not in dispute, and even if it wasn't translated as cannabis it would be calamus, also a psychoactive drug. Cannabis is somehow worse?
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My point is, cannabis isn't the only drug being burnt as incense or being in oils in the Bible. Are you saying all drugs are bad, or aren't you? Because if you are, then do you realize that other incense ingredients are psychoactive drugs, and not simply cannabis. Why condemn cannabis as an incense ingredient and not frankincense, or ambergris, or calamus?
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You post shows what the problem is. At first it was just, "I'm not trying to justify the use of marijuana, its just what the Bible says." Then it is "Marijuana is no worse than these things." Now it is "If I can prove that there is any 'psychoactive' effect of anything else, then marijuana is OK."
So, this is what I am saying:
1. I do not believe, and I am supported by a huge body of Biblical and Hebrew scholarship, that marijuana was used in the incense in the temple worship of the Old Testament.
2. I do not believe that mind-altering drugs such as LSD, PCP, or marijuana are moral, nor do I believe they should be legalized.
3. I do not believe that the alleged minor effects of calimine, frankincense, or ambergris justifies the use of marijuana.
I would suggest that you look at my posting regarding the health effects of marijuana before you decide that it is OK to use.
So, this is what I am saying:
1. I do not believe, and I am supported by a huge body of Biblical and Hebrew scholarship, that marijuana was used in the incense in the temple worship of the Old Testament.
2. I do not believe that mind-altering drugs such as LSD, PCP, or marijuana are moral, nor do I believe they should be legalized.
3. I do not believe that the alleged minor effects of calimine, frankincense, or ambergris justifies the use of marijuana.
I would suggest that you look at my posting regarding the health effects of marijuana before you decide that it is OK to use.
