When does the rapture occur?
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You need to separate the certain NT teaching of the Biblical rapture
(Greek = harpazo-->Latin = raptus-->English = rapture) of 1Th 4:16-17
from the nonsense based in uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles.
The NT presents a rapture (catching away) at the second coming, it's not a theory.
(Greek = harpazo-->Latin = raptus-->English = rapture) of 1Th 4:16-17
from the nonsense based in uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles.
The NT presents a rapture (catching away) at the second coming, it's not a theory.
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What I mean by "in secret" is the idea that only those who are being "caught up" can see Jesus at that time; rather, I believe that Jesus is coming back only one more time - and that "every eye shall see Him" - and that, the 'rapture' will be very open and seen by all...
The fact that "every eye shall see Him" - means that - at that moment - no one on earth will be asleep.
Also - the 'rapture' will be seen by all -- and they will all instantly know what is happening...
"Praise the Lord!"
NO, the Rapture is EXTREMELY fast, like lightning, and no one knows the day or hour our Bridegroom is coming.
The Second Coming is very SLOW after the Rapture, the whole world knows He is COMING and they have time to gather all of the world's Armies to make War against the LORD, to try to stop HIM from taking back the Earth. Do the research, I tell you the TRUTH.
He appears as a Bridegroom first, then HE COMES AS A CONQUERING KING TO MAKE WAR ON THE NATIONS, LATER.
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It is not the 'rapture' ( "catching up" ) that happens "in the twinkling of an eye" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52 ) - it is the 'change' from corruptible to incorruptible that is fast.
Armageddon occurs "a while" after He has arrived.
EDIT: Please see my Order of Events chart. ( linked to in my signature )
Both occur - in their proper order - at the Second Coming of Christ.
Armageddon occurs "a while" after He has arrived.
EDIT: Please see my Order of Events chart. ( linked to in my signature )
Both occur - in their proper order - at the Second Coming of Christ.
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It is not the 'rapture' ( "catching up" ) that happens "in the twinkling of an eye" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52 ) - it is the 'change' from corruptible to incorruptible that is fast.
You said this very appropriately.
In other words:
~ A 'rapture' before His [ second ] coming - No.
~ A 'rapture' at His [ second ] coming ( after His arrival ) - Yes.
In other words:
~ A 'rapture' before His [ second ] coming - No.
~ A 'rapture' at His [ second ] coming ( after His arrival ) - Yes.
All verses that touch on the the subject are congruent with the saints being caught up to the Bridegroom and the saints also coming with Him when He returns to set up His Millennial Reign.
Rapture of the saints:
1 Corinthians 15:50-54
What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.[SUP] 51 [/SUP]But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! [SUP]52 [/SUP]It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. [SUP]54 [/SUP]Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled:
“Death is swallowed up in victory
Second coming:
Zechariah 14:5
And you shall flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal, and you shall flee as you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my [Zechariah’s]God shall come, and all the holy ones [saints and angels] with Him.
Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died[SUP][a][/SUP] so you will not grieve like people who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. [SUP]18 [/SUP]So encourage each other with these words.
First, Jesus appears to His Bride and the Bridegroom, and next He appears and arrives on Earth with His Bride as a conquering King, destroying all His enemies as they rise up against Him.
Rapture of the saints:
1 Corinthians 15:50-54
What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.[SUP] 51 [/SUP]But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! [SUP]52 [/SUP]It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. [SUP]54 [/SUP]Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled:
“Death is swallowed up in victory
Second coming:
Zechariah 14:5
And you shall flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal, and you shall flee as you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my [Zechariah’s]God shall come, and all the holy ones [saints and angels] with Him.
Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died[SUP][a][/SUP] so you will not grieve like people who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. [SUP]18 [/SUP]So encourage each other with these words.
First, Jesus appears to His Bride and the Bridegroom, and next He appears and arrives on Earth with His Bride as a conquering King, destroying all His enemies as they rise up against Him.
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It is not the 'rapture' ( "catching up" ) that happens "in the twinkling of an eye" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52 ) - it is the 'change' from corruptible to incorruptible that is fast.
Armageddon occurs "a while" after He has arrived.
EDIT: Please see my Order of Events chart. ( linked to in my signature )
Both occur - in their proper order - at the Second Coming of Christ.
Armageddon occurs "a while" after He has arrived.
EDIT: Please see my Order of Events chart. ( linked to in my signature )
Both occur - in their proper order - at the Second Coming of Christ.
but I will stick with the Theologians that teach otherwise, including the President of the Master's College, and the Master's Seminary - Dr. John MacAurther; Dallas Theological Seminary Professors (like J. Dwight Pentecost, Charles Ryrie, Merrill Unger, and John F. Walvoord); and Graduates like Chuck Swindoll and J. Vernon McGee, One of the Founders of Campus Crusade for Christ - Dr. Grant C. Richison; Past Presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention - like Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Homer Edwin Young, and Dr. Adrian Rogers; Dr. Zola Levitt; Moody Bible Institute; Dr. Gil Rugh - Indian Hills Community Church; Dr. John Ankerberg; Dr. David Hocking; Dr. David Hunt; etc.; etc.
You can keep your anti-Rapture, Post Trib Theories; I am quite at peace with GOD listening to the above learned Theologians explain a Pre-Trib Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven; plus the Holy Spirit in me, confirms the very same thing.
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