Is a life without sinning possible?

[Jeff_56]

ember, the demons have control of you and those others with you. you all can be forgiven

just exactly the same as anyone else, by repenting.

no one in heaven or on earth can make you repent. that's entirely on you.

if you are not free from deception and sin, the only reason is not repenting. no one else could

make you a slave of sin, if you repented. no one else has nor can have anything against you

if you repent. this is true of everyone on earth, Yahweh willing, in Jesus.

if you were in Jesus, you wouldn't still be bound by sin. Jesus sets everyone in Him free from

the power of sin. they don't always remain free, they still have free will. they are not God nor

equal to God. neither can you be. but you can be forgiven. (maybe; i really don't know now, if you
even
want to be; i never made fun of you. the demons within you deceived you.

Jesus and all of his disciples pray for and seek your freedom from sin and from demons.

 

[ember]

Do you believe you can abide in one unrepentant sin and then die and be saved?

If you say ... "yes" .... then how on Earth are you on God's side?

God is good.

God is not evil and He will not tolerate His people in doing evil. That is what others are essentially saying here. They can do evil and be good. It's madness. Up is down and down is up. It's just utter silliness.

God is not evil...but perverting His word IS evil

NO ONE HAS STATED THEY CONTINUE IN EVIL

That is another lie

If you sinless crowd would EVER concede to that, which we have ALL typed over and over and over, this discussion would come to an inglorious end and your mission in life would loose all meaning

WE KNOW WE HAVE SINNED, but unlike YOU, we get over it...ask for forgiveness and move on

Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof

Don't be so sure about what God tolerates...He tolerates you and the sinless ones doesn't he?

There is no classification for Christians Jason

Being ONE in Christ means no ONE person is left behind

 

[Jason0047]

Yes, you can live without sinning, but how? Walking in communion with Jesus.

Paul put it that he did not judge himself, because in judging we fail to walk in the Spirit.
In my understanding it is through communion with the Lord and letting the Spirit guide and inspire us this is possible.
But like a tight rope walker we can slip off, but until we do we are walking correctly.

I wonder why people are interested in suggesting, hey the walk you do is impossible to slip off because you are completely held up by the Lord or those who say, slip off,you loose salvation until you climb back on.

The point is staying on and carrying on walking. The point is while you walk in the spirit you can choose not to fall, but walking in the flesh you are a slave to it. Paul suggested though you walk in the flesh you are saved but will loose everything but your soul, no treasure in heaven.

Paul says we can judge ourselves.

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. (1 Corinthians 11:31).

Paul says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them (Ephesians 5:11).

Jesus says we can judge righteous judgement (John 7:24).

 

[Jeff_56]

The Bible says that if we say we have no sin we are a LIAR

ignore it, twist scripture to pervert it, say it means something other then what it clearly states

therefore, according to you, yourself, you do have sin.

now, how do you , yourself, get free from that sin ? (forgiven?) that's on you....

or from GOD'S WORD : repent


is that so hard ?

 

[ember]

So judge away....I'm not stopping you

But remember to just judge YOURSELF as you say and not everyone here

yeah yeah...tempting to just continue judging...I get it....but if you repent of your judgement of everyone, God will forgive you and give you a heart to love instead of a hard heart that judges everyone and condemns them all to hell because they do not meet YOUR personal holiness yardstick

 

[Jason0047]

God is not evil...but perverting His word IS evil

NO ONE HAS STATED THEY CONTINUE IN EVIL

That is another lie

How is that a lie? People here have already admitted that they can continue to be in sin and still be saved.

If you sinless crowd would EVER concede to that, which we have ALL typed over and over and over, the this discussion would come to an inglorious end and your mission in life would loose all meaning

WE KNOW WE HAVE SINNED, but unlike YOU, we get over it...ask for forgiveness and move on

Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof

Don't be so sure about what God tolerates...He tolerates you and the sinless ones doesn't he?

There is no classification for Christians Jason

Being ONE in Christ means no ONE person is left behind

So what kind of unrepentant sins can a person abide in and still be saved? Yes, many here will say that they should generally live holy lives, but what about that small percentage of sin in your lives? Cannot one wrong sin separate a person from God? Can one rape people and be saved?

 

[ember]

how is that a lie?

why such a high pitched voice?

well what is a lie? it is saying something that is not true

you constantly accuse the rest of us of living in sin when God knows, we tow the line but not because of you or your strange fire words

No, we tow the line because of LOVE of our Savior

I don't want to disapoint Him..

So what kind of unrepentant sins can a person abide in and still be saved? Yes, many here will say that they should generally live holy lives, but what about that 5% or 1% in your lives? Cannnot one wrong sin separate a person from God?

well apparently, you are living in unrepentant lying...because once again...you state the opposite of what I just wrote

just how big are the blinders?

 

[ember]

well I've wasted enough time for the moment

 

[Jason0047]

how is that a lie?

why such a high pitched voice?

well what is a lie? it is saying something that is not true

you constantly accuse the rest of us of living in sin when God knows, we tow the line but not because of you or your strange fire words

No, we tow the line because of LOVE of our Savior

I don't want to disapoint Him..





well apparently, you are living in unrepentant lying...because once again...you state the opposite of what I just wrote

just how big are the blinders?

Many here have admitted that they can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved. That is because they believe all future sin is forgiven them. So it's a license to sin. For we both know that chastisement is not enough of a deterrent to stop the person who loves their sin more than they love God to stop in their sinning. For why would they stop sinning? They got their ticket to Heaven, and it doesn't matter what happens to them here. For even unbelievers can go thru the same challenges in life as believers. Besides, your camp doesn't believe they can ever stop sinning. So what is the point of chastisement for if it is not to get you to stop sinning? Also, many here claim Positional Righteousness. That they do not have to live righteous and yet they can still be saved. Do you not agree with that?

 

[PeterJens]

Small observation, people are using the word sin in a general sense and not in a particular.
I am a sinner, who is saved through repentance and forgiveness. I could be commiting unknown sin but as far as I know I am not sinning, so am I then perfect. Until someone can say that is sin, I am perfect, washed clean, holy.

So there are those who say we may sin in the future so we cannot call ourselves holy and others who say if you cannot call yourself holy you cannot be saved, because Christs work is useless. To those who say calling yourself perfect is blasphemy are wrong, like those who say a washed clean christian not claiming holiness is wrong.

So if two groups claim the other is wrong because of emphasis, they are just harming each other when they are just points of view. Is it too difficult to accept two views of the same thing could be both true?

 

[Gr8grace]

No doubt...every time I see them post I cant help but think Pharisee......I thank God I am not like this low life sinner over there.....I do this, I do that..blah blah blah........The guy who acknowledge he was a sinner and sins went away justified...not the fools who boasted in their sinless state and self righteousness.....

Its like the prodigal son.Most everybody overlooks the son who is in the background thinking that He is "perfect" and he deserves what he thinks he should have.

We see the "reckless" son returned to the father.

We do not see the "perfect" son returned to the father.

I will be the prodigal son along with you. We went and hugged dad. Our brothers are just out in the field steaming mad that we "got away" with a lot. And they deserve more than you and I.

 

[Jeff_56]

I didn't misquote you...you let your guard down in your haste to make fun of me...

you misquoted for everyone to see.
copied below, since you didn't answer (or repent to Jesus) yet.
you might not have another day left,
and if you are not forgiven, what then ? that's on you..... not on me ....

i re-quoted your mis-quote of me. and also what i posted. it is still there.

you completely misquoted ..... now, if you can't read english, say so.

you said "Originally Posted by ember .....jeff believes thatwe become equal with God if we repent"

see. YOU SAID I BELIEVE "we become equal with God".

now, look again at my post, THAT YOU QUOTED !
...... Originally Posted by Jeff_56 .......

"if you do repent and are forgiven, you will not be equal with God,"


now, are there any 3 year olds here who can show ember the difference ????? between
....................................... "become equal"
..............and
........................................"will not be equal"
.......................................................................

 

[dcontroversal]

Its like the prodigal son.Most everybody overlooks the son who is in the background thinking that He is "perfect" and he deserves what he thinks he should have.

We see the "reckless" son returned to the father.

We do not see the "perfect" son returned to the father.

I will be the prodigal son along with you. We went and hugged dad. Our brothers are just out in the field steaming mad that we "got away" with a lot. And they deserve more than you and I.

Amen to that........and through the whole process will still be a son........!

 

[ember]

ohhh...so I'm cleaning windows downstairs and the thought hits me!


Jason and the perfection prophets...what if you overlook a sin?

what if you forget to REPENT of it?

what if a sin gets tucked away in your underwear drawer or hidden behind your Bible?

ARE YOU GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU MISSED IT?

see how salvation based on human efforts can really just knock a wrench in your day?

don't suppose that will get the notice it deserves or the irony of it all either

 

[Jason0047]

No. The prodigal son's life of sin when he left the father shows that he was not in favor with the father when he went prodigal. For the father said TWICE that his son was dead and now he is alive again. This is speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus not speak in spiritual terms involving his parables?

 

[Jason0047]

ohhh...so I'm cleaning windows downstairs and the thought hits me!


Jason and the perfection prophets...what if you overlook a sin?

what if you forget to REPENT of it?

what if a sin gets tucked away in your underwear drawer or hidden behind your Bible?

ARE YOU GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU MISSED IT?

see how salvation based on human efforts can really just knock a wrench in your day?

don't suppose that will get the notice it deserves or the irony of it all either

There are sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death (See 1 John 5:16-18). Psalm 19:12 talks about hidden or secret faults. This wouild be sins that do not lead unto death. For him to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin. For example: This could be going over the speed limit, or not taking the trash out like you are supposed to on time. Sins that lead unto death are the sins that Paul lists several times in the New Testament that will cause one to not to inherit the Kingdom of God. For John even defines these sins as leading to the Second DEATH in Revelation 21:8. These sins would be lying, stealing, murdering, hating, adultery, and drunkenness, etc.

For there is no way that you cannot know when you don't do something that is really wrong because the Holy Spirit will convict you of any wrong doing so as to confess of it. Unless of course you do all kinds of really bad sins and there is no conviction in your life.

 

[Jeff_56]

good for you. something hit you, and you still don't get it !!!

your sin is out in the open, unrepented: lie(misquote and others) are not hidden, tucked away, or out of sight.

you misquoted, and refuse to answer. and make up other lies to go with it.

the one to start with is your misquote. you said i said we could be equal with God.

i said , in the post you quoted!, "WOULD NOT BE EQUAL" with God.

see the difference ???? "be equal" .... "not be equal" >>> ???
so... how do you account for that lie (on purpose or accidental , doesn't matter)... ?

.....
what if a sin gets tucked away in your underwear drawer or hidden behind your Bible?

.....

 

[dcontroversal]

No. The prodigal son's life of sin when he left the father shows that he was not in favor with the father when he went prodigal. For the father said TWICE that his son was dead and now he is alive again. This is speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus not speak in spiritual terms involving his parables?

Nice try but no cigar...your view belies the facts....

1. Was perceived as dead
2. Was still alive
3. Was a son thru the whole process
4. Was received as a son
5. Squandered inheritance dia riotous living

Your loss of salvation, lite doctrine is false no matter how many times you promote it.....!

If loss of salvation was possible dia sin there would be no logical use of and or reason for chastisement.....God chastens SONS who walk contrary...he does not forsake them or leave them...wake up!

 

[Jason0047]

Nice try but no cigar...your view belies the facts....

1. Was perceived as dead
2. Was still alive
3. Was a son thru the whole process
4. Was received as a son
5. Squandered inheritance dia riotous living

Your loss of salvation, lite doctrine is false no matter how many times you promote it.....!

If loss of salvation was possible dia sin there would be no logical use of and or reason for chastisement.....God chastens SONS who walk contrary...he does not forsake them or leave them...wake up!

A person can be alive and be dead spiritually. This is why the father said his son was dead and he was alive again. Nowhere did the Father go out searching for his son. The son had to make the choice to go home. In fact, he said he was not even worthy to be called a son anymore and that he was willing to come back as a hired hand. This shows that we are to also be servants to the Lord and not our own masters. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other.

 

[Gr8grace]

No. The prodigal son's life of sin when he left the father shows that he was not in favor with the father when he went prodigal. For the father said TWICE that his son was dead and now he is alive again. This is speaking in spiritual terms. For when did Jesus not speak in spiritual terms involving his parables?

The majority of believers overlook his brother. They can't/don't see what is exposed in the brother through the experience of the Prodigal son.