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Is a life without sinning possible?
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Sirk
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This is superficial judgment and lacks any depth of knowledge. I'm sure it is pleasing to your vanity to think that people are successful because their supposed virtue and fail because of their lack of virtue. So do you suffer because of your good qualities or because of your bad qualities? Never mind....there is no way you even know what I'm talking about....I'm guessing I just flipped your "zombie switch". Thanks for that btw....JIA.
A believer is nothing in and of themselves. We only have identity and purpose by associating with Jesus Christ. We are only kings and priests if we have obeyed Jesus Christ by allowing Him to work in us. However, if one acts like the devil and or sins against God and then proclaims they are for God, then their fruits reveals them as a false prophet. For Jesus said we will know a bad tree by it's fruit. Do you believe you can sin and still be saved? If you do, then you are essentially saying you can do evil and still be in favor in God's good kingdom. But it doesn't work like that, though. God is Holy and righteous and He will not tolerate anyone who sins against Him.
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Rosesrock
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Yes, because I stand on the promise of God's Word. I do not condone a sinful lifestyle and make excuses for sin. I strive to live like Christ. If I fail, then I confess my sins and forsake them with God's help. I do not throw up my arms in defeat of my sin and give into that sin thinking I am saved automatically. One has to let Christ do the good work within their lives. This is a part of the Sanctificaiton process that all believers are supposed to go thru.
People in God's kingdom today do iniquity (sin) and they are extremely offensive in how they speak (by the fact that they throw around poisonous words at a person versus say speaking the Word). However, the Son of Man will send forth his angels and gather those out of his Kingdom who do those things, though. For the Scriptures say,
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; "(Matthew 13:41).
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; "(Matthew 13:41).
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dalconn
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we all have one nature before being born-again, a sin nature. Once we are born-again we then have two natures that oppose each other, The Spirit and the flesh. To think that the flesh will NEVER have a victory after we take on the new nature is just not reality. We are born in Christ as babes, not as adults (spiritually speaking). Do we expect babies to act as adults or do we extend them the grace to grow into adulthood?
This stuff isn't brain science, it's rocket surgery!
This stuff isn't brain science, it's rocket surgery!
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Rosesrock
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Ok so you have make sure you're prayed up, before you die to go to heaven? Then you can't slways be 100% sure
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Gr8grace
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You are automatically(aorist tense Act 16:31) saved when you believed. I agree with everything else you just posted.
How many of us do you considered saved?
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Gr8grace
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Yeah, your knowledge leaves me speechless. LOL
It really is your knowledge that leaves you speechless.
we all have one nature before being born-again, a sin nature. Once we are born-again we then have two natures that oppose each other, The Spirit and the flesh. To think that the flesh will NEVER have a victory after we take on the new nature is just not reality. We are born in Christ as babes, not as adults (spiritually speaking). Do we expect babies to act as adults or do we extend them the grace to grow into adulthood?
This stuff isn't brain science, it's rocket surgery!
No, Paul tells the Corinthians to repent of their sins (See 2 Corinthians 7:10; the end of 2 Corinthians 12, and 2 Corinthians 13:5). Paul also says to that we used to be sinners but we are not that way anymore in the beginning of Ephesians and in Colossians 3. Paul says in Galatians 5:24, that they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Paul also says that they who have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Peter identifies certain false prophets as having eyes full of adultery and who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). So no. What you propose is absolutey unbiblical and it is wrong. There is no forgiveness if there is no true repentance.
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Sirk
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We do not agree in the slightest sense. You believe in a sin and still be saved type doctrine the last I have talked with you by the words that you have expressed to me.
I will not be your judge. God will be your judge and He will use His Word to judge all men. If a man rejects His words, then those very words (within His Word) will judge him on the last day. (Again, see John 12:48).
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DesiredHaven
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It is in God's grace that I trust. For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). But I take this also with 1 John 1:7 that says, if we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Do you also believe in these promises in Scripture?
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Rosesrock
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So you're a works salvation dude, well with us agreeing on the first half, i get now where you are coming from. Thanks. God bless
So you're a works salvation dude, well with us agreeing on the first half, i get now where you are coming from. Thanks. God bless
No. I do not believe it is my works that saves me. Most certaintly not. That would be silly. I believe it is God who does the work in me that saves me when I yield or surrender to Him. For you had to have yielded to God's plan of salvation in order to be saved, right? What makes you think you can stop cooperating with God? For Christ does the good work in me. I alone can do nothing. For it's why the 24 elders had cast down their crowns before Jesus. This is called the Sanctification process. It is abiding with Jesus and His words.
I mean, have you not read John 14:23?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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Okay, so who does the "good work" in a believer's life? Is it God? Or is it the believer? Well, Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who does the work within a believer.
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
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Gr8grace
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You have rejected John 5:24,,John 10:28 and many more of His promises to you.............. His words.
And what the heck do mean, "We do not agree in the slightest sense." I just told you I agreed with 98% of your post.