Your "conversations" are notoriously one sided. All talk no listen.
I can say the same about you. For when I clarify a verse in what it says, you ignore it.
Jason0047 said:
Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (like lying, hating, looking at women lustfully) and still be saved?
Okay, you are admitting here that you can sin and still be saved by this statement. That you can do evil then refuse to repent of it and then die and still be saved. This is called a license to sin (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin). This is wrong and it is immoral. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 warns us about certain false believers in the last days that will be committing certain sinful practices and who have a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof. How do you not see yourself being under this category if you make an allowance for sin?
Jason0047 said:
Do you believe future sin is forgiven? If so, how do you prevent others who hear such a message in running off and easily misunderstanding you to take that as a license to sin?
Notuptome said:
Not my job to prevent them from doing anything. They are the Lords and He will minister to them as He sees fit. I am not God. Something you should consider about yourself.
Your statement here is a lack of love for the brethren and it is not Biblical.
"Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve;" (1 Peter 5:2).
Jason0047 said:
Do you believe you will ever stop sinning or to turn from your wicked ways? Does this line up with what Jesus taught on repentance in regards to the Ninevites and Jonah chapter 3?
Notuptome said:
Foolish question. I am a new creature in Christ. I am created in Christ to do the work He has for me.
But don't you think that a believer getting away with certain potential unrepentant sin in their life does not conflict with any work they might be doing for the Lord? What do you make of Ezekiel 18:24 when it says God will forget a person's righteusess if they go back and do evil?
"But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die."
Jason0047 said:
Do you believe you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved?
Noutuptome said:
No question. Sanctification is not a nullifier of salvation.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Actually, there are several passages that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.
#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.
#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).
#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).
#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.
#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.
Jason0047 said:
Do you believe in some cases you sin in the flesh and yet you somehow do not sin in the spirit because Jesus paid the price for all your sin?
Notuptome said:
The Word of God is quick and powerful a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart sharper than any two edged sword dividing asunder the soul and the spirit.
So you are saying I am not capable of understanding any verses that talk about this issue? Do you even have any verses to support this? Do you not know that this is similar to Gnosticism? That matter is bad and spirit is good?
Jason0047 said:
I am only saying what others here have said in regards to OSAS. The fact that you can't see it, makes me believe you hold to something similar.
Notuptome said:
If you knew of salvation by grace you would not make such unwise accusations about the salvation God gifts by grace to those who trust Christ.
If they believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine, then they are not trusting in Christ, but they are trusting in a false Christ who is not described in the Bible. Nowhere did Jesus and His apostles ever teach a sin and still be saved doctrine. it is completely foreign to Scripture. They taught holiness and righteous living and they did not teach in how one can be saved in riotous living while also serving God. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters, for you will hate the one and love the other. Why do you think you can serve two masters? Can you explain that verse?
Jason0047 said:
Why would someone who seeks to honor God's commands want to break them? Are you trying to falsely accuse me?
Notuptome said:
You accuse yourself. Your pretentious self righteousness reveals that you cannot trust Christ to save you. You insist on wrenching your salvation from Christ and doing it yourself.
No sir. I do trust Christ to save me. I let Him work thru me. It's called Sanctification. It is just not in some mental acknowledgment alone and it is in allowing Christ to work in me versus say doing evil instead. What makes you think a believer can get away with evil and that God will just let them into Heaven despite it? Do you not think it would compromise the good character of God if He allowed His people to do evil?
Jason0047 said:
And here is where the cat is out of the bag. You believe in a wrong view of salvation. You believe in Positional Righteousness. That you do not have to live a righteous life and yet you can still be saved. That you don't have to have no works. But James said faith without works is dead. This is not your works but the works of God done in the believer.
Notuptome said:
You accuse me of doing what you would do not what I am doing. I live for my Lord according to the leading of the Holy Spirit and the dictates of my heart. Only a fool would suppose to judge the heart of another man in the stead of God.
You admitted that you can sin and still be saved and that no works are necessary to show forth your faith. But as I stated before, James says faith without works is a dead faith. Yes, we are saved by God's grace without works. But this in reference to our works (or works of the Law) and not the works of God done in you by faith. God saves not just in Justification but He also saves in Sanctification and Glorification. For if we reject the words of Jesus Christ, then those very words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48); Unless of course we as believers repent. That is why it is not of works. Because when a believer honestly messes up, they confess that sin and then they strive to forsake it with God's help. They are under grace and not law. But you take grace too far. You make an allowance that God covers willful sin or evil in the present moment. For you said it is very likely you can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved. This is wrong; And it's immoral.
Notuptome said:
Put your proof text in James into biblical context and you will see that you are forcing a conflict where none exists.
Why don't you try explaining it to me nice and slow with Scripture.
Notuptome said:
You continue to demonstrate that you say you trust but your actions tell a completely opposite story. You trust you more than your trust Christ.
Please cease from attempting to usurp the authority and position of God. Lucifer said I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. Isaiah 14:13-14
I could say the same to you.
But I will instead wish you only good things upon you in Christ Jesus.
Also, I say the things I did not to wound you, but out of love for the truth.
Anyways, may God's love shine upon you.
And please be well.
