I can say the same about you. For when I clarify a verse in what it says, you ignore it.
You never clarify a verse you only pervert the verse. 1 Cor 2:14
Okay, you are admitting here that you can sin and still be saved by this statement. That you can do evil then refuse to repent of it and then die and still be saved. This is called a license to sin (Whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin). This is wrong and it is immoral. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 warns us about certain false believers in the last days that will be committing certain sinful practices and who have a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof. How do you not see yourself being under this category if you make an allowance for sin?
1 John 1:10
Your statement here is a lack of love for the brethren and it is not Biblical.
"Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve;" (1 Peter 5:2).
Not one verse requires me to make you believe. I am charged with testifying to Gods word the receiving of it is on you.
But don't you think that a believer getting away with certain potential unrepentant sin in their life does not conflict with any work they might be doing for the Lord? What do you make of Ezekiel 18:24 when it says God will forget a person's righteusess if they go back and do evil?
"But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die."
Well sheriff I leave the things of God to God. You must learn to understand forgiveness. Jesus said we are to forgive others as He has forgiven us. Not judge or call into account but forgive. Let God do the judging.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Actually, there are several passages that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.
#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.
#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).
#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).
#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.
#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.
You are unloving. You condemn everyone. Shame on you. John 6:37 Jesus does not cast out those who come to Him. Imperfect though they may be. Not all are 100 fold in the fruit department.
So you are saying I am not capable of understanding any verses that talk about this issue? Do you even have any verses to support this? Do you not know that this is similar to Gnosticism? That matter is bad and spirit is good?
Your heart is hardened against the love and mercy of God. Scripture says you can only understand what God allows and you are not going to receive wisdom from God without compassion for others. 1 Cor 2:14 still applies to you.
If they believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine, then they are not trusting in Christ, but they are trusting in a false Christ who is not described in the Bible. Nowhere did Jesus and His apostles ever teach a sin and still be saved doctrine. it is completely foreign to Scripture. They taught holiness and righteous living and they did not teach in how one can be saved in riotous living while also serving God. Jesus said you cannot serve two masters, for you will hate the one and love the other. Why do you think you can serve two masters? Can you explain that verse?
Where sin did abound grace did much more abound. Before salvation one has only one master after salvation one has a new master. Still the old master does not give up. Paul in Romans 7:24 describes the old nature fighting against the new nature. The battle is won for the Spirit but until the flesh is laid in the grave the struggle continues.
No sir. I do trust Christ to save me. I let Him work thru me. It's called Sanctification. It is just not in some mental acknowledgment alone and it is in allowing Christ to work in me versus say doing evil instead. What makes you think a believer can get away with evil and that God will just let them into Heaven despite it? Do you not think it would compromise the good character of God if He allowed His people to do evil?
Who are you to judge God? You speak against the promises of Christ. If you trust Christ you would not endeavor to add your works to what Christ has done. You nullify grace with your works of self righteousness.
You admitted that you can sin and still be saved and that no works are necessary to show forth your faith. But as I stated before, James says faith without works is a dead faith. Yes, we are saved by God's grace without works. But this in reference to our works (or works of the Law) and not the works of God done in you by faith. God saves not just in Justification but He also saves in Sanctification and Glorification. For if we reject the words of Jesus Christ, then those very words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48); Unless of course we as believers repent. That is why it is not of works. Because when a believer honestly messes up, they confess that sin and then they strive to forsake it with God's help. They are under grace and not law. But you take grace too far. You make an allowance that God covers willful sin or evil in the present moment. For you said it is very likely you can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved. This is wrong; And it's immoral.
You cannot judge others in this fashion. It is wrong and God will judge you by the same standard. Believers are passed from judgment because they are already justified before the Father by grace and the blood of Christ. Believers works are judged for rewards but not the believer. 1 Cor 5:10
Why don't you try explaining it to me nice and slow with Scripture.
Eph 2:10 Works are a result of salvation not the cause of salvation. Grace is what saves us not works. Those who are not saved may show many works but they are not of God. God is the judge of works and you nor I can judge. If you judge you will judge wrongly. Evil people can give good gifts. Luke 11:13
I could say the same to you.
But I will instead wish you only good things upon you in Christ Jesus.
Also, I say the things I did not to wound you, but out of love for the truth.
Anyways, may God's love shine upon you.
And please be well.
You are indeed most sanctimonious. I cannot commend a man to his folly.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
