POLL: The Deity of Christ

[ember]

I agree with the following:

The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs inJohn 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek wordmonogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

It's this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenesmean? According to theGreek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature(BAGD, 3rd Edition),monogeneshas two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning inHebrews 11:17when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use ofmonogenesin that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied inJohn 3:16(see alsoJohn 1:14,18;3:18;1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he usesmonogenesto highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.


Read more:What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?

 

[GuessWho]

Not to nitpick, but Jesus isn't the Father's only Son. Angels are said to be sons of God in scripture and so are Christians. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and there is significance in the word begotten and how it pertains to Christ. I recognize that you capitalized the word Son, so perhaps you're placing some significance upon that, but both angels and Christians are still sons of God so we need to be careful in how we phrase things.

There is nothing confusing about the way he phrased the christian creed.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No........well, just no........

who said? I and my Father ARE ONE? Jesus, God the Son said this

who said? before Abraham was, I Am? Jesus, God the Son said this

who said? If you have seen ME you have seen the Father? Jesus, God the Son said this

who said? 3) Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
4 .) Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
5 .) Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6 .) Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

Well, ok, Isaiah said this, but he was prophesying of the coming of Jesus............God the Son

God is in Christ and Christ is in God, but your rewording of scripture and the man-made phrase "God the Son" is the same as saying "Father the Son" which teaches confusion by those who are confused.

 

[DesiredHaven]

The word was with God the word was God and the word was made flesh, who is both the Son of man and the Son of God) who was (before) the Word, and the word was made flesh (become a man) made lower then the angels (who die not) that he might die (for the suffering of death) and was raised again (first begotten from the dead)

Paul speaks of the mystery of the fellowship between them

The Son was ascending unto His Father and His God (who is our Father and our God) here

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

There is the mystery of the fellowship between them as Paul said, see also Proverbs 30:4

Heb 1:8 directs us to Psalm 45:6 where it is speaking of Jesus Christ (the Son)

Even as the writer of Hebrews shows,

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son ((( he ))) saith,

Which reads ...

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

The next verse shows (WHO) is speaking...

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (( God ))
((( THY))) God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thyfellows.

So we have...

Jesus (the Son) said I ascend unto MY God (right before ascending....)

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son (after ascending) he saith

("Who is He" that saith...?)

It is God, THY God, (of Psalm 45:7) who saith unto the Son

Next verse...

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

The following verse just clarifies who is speaking to whom

Psalm 45:7 ... therefore God, ((( thy God ))), hath anointed ((( thee ))) with the oil of gladness above (thy fellows).

And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one, and he is not ashamed to call (them brethren)

Quick recap of the verses show God (the Father) calling the Son of God (who is the Word, made flesh) God

As the Word that was with God was God and was made flesh, whose name is Jesus, the son of David (Son of man) and and declared to be the Son of God by the spirit of holiness and ressurection from the dead.

Jesus (the Son) said I ascend unto MY God (....ascending....)

Then...

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son (who had ascended) he saith

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:7 ...therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (His disciples)

 

[Elin]

"God the Son" is your invention.

"God" is the invention of Jn 1:1, 13, and "the Son" is the invention of Jesus who called himself the Son of God.

 

[SolidGround]

I accept what the Word says on the subject,
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
indwelt with the fullness of God,
God's only begotten son, the very Son of God,
the Word (who was and is God) made flesh.

Do I accept the teaching of the Trinity?
I think so, but not in the same way that I accept the clear teachings of Scripture.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I would rather stick with how the scriptures speak of things myself, thats speaking the same things, we have the words given us, lots of folks believe their own words make it clearer then the Spirit can who would rather His words (over theirs).

 

[SolidGround]

Also, Jesus Christ has been given The Name.
For those of you who know Hebrew, this means that He has been given the title of the Most High God.
Regardless of how it all works in the legal system of the Godhead, Jesus is (at least since His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension) been given a place in the Godhead.

Reading John 1 leads me to believe that Christ always was part of the Godhead, and that He was "reinstated" into His Glory upon His ascension.

 

[Jesus4ever]

Yes!

John 1:1-14

 

[Elin]

Actually, the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. . .
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are the new covenant revelation.

The Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit are United as One. But Jesus spoke the way he did concerning the Father being greater than himself for a reason.
Rewording scripture teaches confusion,

Denying Scriptural revelation teaches heresy.

Jesus Christ in scripture is shown as the Son of God for a good reason.

Maybe because it's the truth.

And in Scripture he is also shown as God the Son (Jn 1:1, 13).

All persons of the Trinity are fully God.

The Son of God is also God the Son.

The Holy Spirit of God and the Son is also God the Holy Spirit, as the Father is God the Father.

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

It is important to acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

No one is denying that. . .you are the one denying what Scripture reveals.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There is only One God= the Father.....and then there is God's Word (Son) and Spirit. One God, His Word and Spirit.

The phrase "God the Son" teaches confusion because it is the same as saying "Father the Son" which is confusion because a Son comes forth from a Father, not the other way around.


This verse here proves the phrase "God the Son" to be confusion....

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


According to those who use the phrase "God the Son" this verse would imply Jesus as saying "God is greater than God" which teaches confusion.

Jesus Christ is shown as the Son of God, and not "God the Son" for good reason.

1 Corinthians 11:3...... and the head of Christ is God.

Stick to the wording found in scripture or you'll be led astray by those who twist scriptures and words in order to fit into their own carnal understanding of them.

 

[SolidGround]

There is only One God= the Father.....and then there is God's Word (Son) and Spirit. One God, His Word and Spirit.

The phrase "God the Son" teaches confusion because it is the same as saying "Father the Son" which is confusion because a Son comes forth from a Father, not the other way around.


This verse here proves the phrase "God the Son" to be confusion....

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


According to those who use the phrase "God the Son" this verse would imply Jesus as saying "God is greater than God" which teaches confusion.

Jesus Christ is shown as the Son of God, and not "God the Son" for good reason.

1 Corinthians 11:3...... and the head of Christ is God.

Stick to the wording found in scripture or you'll be led astray by those who twist scriptures and words in order to fit into their own carnal understanding of them.

I'm not sure I fully agree with your position, but I surely agree that such phrases are manmade, and cause confusion.

 

[Elin]

There is only One God= the Father.....and then there is God's Word (Son) and Spirit. One God, His Word and Spirit.

Yes, one God and three divine persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The phrase "God the Son" teaches confusion because it is the same as saying "Father the Son"

Only in your interpretive thinking. . .

No more than one man, the father, and one man, the son, is the same as saying "father the son."

1 Corinthians 11:3...... and the head of Christ is God.

Agreed. . .

In the one Godhead there are three persons, of one substance, power and eternity,
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (1Jn 5:7; Mt 3:16-17; 28:19; 2Co 13:24).

God the Father is of none of them, neither begotten nor proceeding;
God the Son is eternally begotten of the Father (Jn 1:14, 18),
God the Holy Spirit eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son (Jn 15:26; Gal 4:6).

Now go and learn what these mean.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I'm not sure I fully agree with your position, but I surely agree that such phrases are manmade, and cause confusion.

Most people have a hard time understanding where it is I am coming from, but understand this, the serpent is very subtil and his words can seem as smooth as oil because he knows how to twist words and meanings in order to draw people away from the Truth according to the words of God.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

If you make the Son the Father in scripture you then also by pass the Son, and in doing so you also deny who the Son truly is, which is Jesus the Christ.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father,
of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[Elin]

Most people have a hard time understanding where it is I am coming from, but understand this,
the serpent is very subtil and his words can seem as smooth as oil because he
knows how to twist words and meanings in order to draw people away from the Truth according to the words of God.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Sirk]

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father,
of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom are all things, and we by him.

Thanks for posting scripture. That was very nice of you. Please rip it apart for us now so that it is so far removed from resembling the truth that it's like we are looking thru a mud puddle with our eyes closed.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Thanks for posting scripture. That was very nice of you. Please rip it apart for us now so that it is so far removed from resembling the truth that it's like we are looking thru a mud puddle with our eyes closed.

That was real kind and edifying. Wonder what spirit that is? Hmmmm

 

[DesiredHaven]

Most people have a hard time understanding where it is I am coming from, but understand this, the serpent is very subtil and his words can seem as smooth as oil because he knows how to twist words and meanings in order to draw people away from the Truth according to the words of God.

Mark 4:14 The sower soweth the word.

Mark 4:14 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard,
Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal

Shows stealing his words here as well

Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets,
saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

The full verse

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jerm 23:30 is in context of wheat and chaff speaking either his word or their own dreams,

 

[Elin]

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus,
whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Cr 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father,
of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom are all things, and we by him.

". . .and the Word was God. . .The Word became flesh. . ." (Jn 1:1 13)