Is being a submissive wife really taboo?

[PoetMary]

A male interesting I am Chandler . And if you recall I apologized to every one on this forum.

But you didn't apologize to me for calling me hypocritical.

 

[WolfGaming]

Lol.that's funny

 

[WolfGaming]

But you didn't apologize to me for calling me hypocritical.

last post on here for me but wether or not someone defends me on a matter it does not change wether or not that person is being hipocritacle and that's just what it looked like to me you say we are so fast to point out your flaws yet hey I have seen it first hand anyway.

 

[WolfGaming]

First hand as in women do I doing the same.

 

[WolfGaming]

First hand as in women do I doing the same.

Sorry spelling women doing the same.

 

[PoetMary]

last post on here for me but wether or not someone defends me on a matter it does not change wether or not that person is being hipocritacle and that's just what it looked like to me you say we are so fast to point out your flaws yet hey I have seen it first hand anyway.

I understand. The actual intent of my post didn't matter. My actual personhood is of no concern to you. You can call me hypocritical without any twinge of conscience or remorse.....nor any need of actual evidence either.

 

[ember]

Mary...why are you arguing with a 16 year old?

the op was off base right from the get go and I think most women sensed that while many men saw only

I SUBMIT

oh payday! she submits! she's a Christian

 

[WolfGaming]

Yeah, I get that a lot.

I'm just exhaustified with all the ax-grinding males.

Despite the fact that our culture is suffering from a significant lack of fathering....
Despite the fact that like 50% of babies are now born out-of-wedlock...
Despite the fact that more women attend churches than men...
Despite the fact that there are lots and lots of honorable, God-fearing women in the world...

the men still have to grind their axes on and on about how WOMEN should be behaving.

These men don't hold EACH OTHER accountable for behaving like men, but they sure will go after women who don't seem to fit their particularly self-indulgent interpretation of scripture.

I can give you examples from these boards: When a MAN will post regarding the troubles in his marriage, the vast majority of responses he will receive will be from WOMEN.

When people create posts about the ROLE OF A HUSBAND, there are few/to no real responses from men. However all the men come out to play when the issue is what a wife should be doing.

Oh...and these same men can't be bothered to actually read with any level of discernment, nor apologize when they are clearly wrong. (For example, YOU never actually apologized to me for the things you implied in your posts to me).

It's just disheartening.

Why are women held to such a standard by the men in here, but these men can't bear to examine themselves using the same standard?

(Sirk, Tintin, and the other balanced men in here, forgive me for the rant).

Ok ok this is just to funny the hypocrisy is you are pointing out men's flaws by saying we point out your flaws all the time and don't put ourselves in check just in that you ha e proven my point ok I really am done now just don't respond no point.

 

[PoetMary]

Mary...why are you arguing with a 16 year old?

Because unlike his attitude toward me, I actually have respect for him as a human being created in the image of God. I afford him that respect by treating him like a human with ideas he's able to express.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

Ok ok this is just to funny the hypocrisy is you are pointing out men's flaws by saying we point out your flaws all the time and don't put ourselves in check just in that you ha e proven my point ok I really am done now just don't respond no point.

That's not hypocrisy, that's an observation of hypocrisy. That's what the whole post you just quoted was.

 

[ember]

Because unlike his attitude toward me, I actually have respect for him as a human being created in the image of God. I afford him that respect by treating him like a human with ideas he's able to express.

reading his post just above yours, I would say you hit the nail on the head

if all a person has to make themself feel good is making someone else feel bad, then they are fragile indeed and it does not take much to upset the little boat in the big wide ocean of the world

pretty mean for 16 though I gotta say

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

I understand. The actual intent of my post didn't matter. My actual personhood is of no concern to you. You can call me hypocritical without any twinge of conscience or remorse.....nor any need of actual evidence either.

Eh, don't worry about apologies from people. Whether they apologize or not, or however they approach you has no bearing on whether you were right or wrong anyway. Try not to take offense.

 

[ember]

I was like 'whaaaaaa?' the first time I came across this pervasive male attitude that women are inferior

My dad never made me think or feel that...so, you know, I don't think anyone is ever going to make me think or feel that way

I see myself as a human being first and a woman second...I see others as human first and then gender second as well

Maybe that makes me strange...dunno

I was a tomboy growing up and to this day will feel more comfortable with a bunch of men then a bunch of women...and no I am not a flirt...

oh whatever...it's all so tiresome

 

[PoetMary]

I was like 'whaaaaaa?' the first time I came across this pervasive male attitude that women are inferior

My dad never made me think or feel that...so, you know, I don't think anyone is ever going to make me think or feel that way

I see myself as a human being first and a woman second...I see others as human first and then gender second as well

Maybe that makes me strange...dunno

I was a tomboy growing up and to this day will feel more comfortable with a bunch of men then a bunch of women...and no I am not a flirt...

oh whatever...it's all so tiresome

You know, I was stunned by it as well. My parents have a very traditional marriage (I posted about it on another thread), but my dad has always been supportive of my mother, my sister, and I. In fact, he's very respectful of all women. I don't think he'd ever dream of talking down to a woman, or implying some kind of superiority simply because he is male.

I actually didn't encounter this until I began interacting with evangelical Christianity...and then it seemed to be pretty pervasive.

I honestly don't know what to make of it.

They grind with their verses, but if you question that you're either an uppity female with a jezebel spirit or you're a hypocrite for questioning their status quo. They engage in a lot of shaming/blaming tactics to try and bend you to their will.

I really just don't get how they can be so blind to their own arrogance and pride. Or how OTHER MEN can be so blind to it in their fellow men.

 

[ember]

Pretty much the same here.

The thing is, many, as you say, evangelical men, really seem to believe they are superior ... and if you question
you have a jezebel spirit etc

I don't shame and take the blame too well I'm afraid.....and since I am a question asker by nature, I will ask them

yeah.....I think so many women struggle against being seen as somehow not worthy or able to fulfill any spirituality or have any gift that God might have given her or judgement that may surpass that of the man

I have been known to say 'well if God just wanted me to be a Barbie, why bother to give me a brain?'

 

[WolfGaming]

ok umm this is very humbuling I am sorry marry and any one I offended I was acting foolish and though I had a good point and was in the right to defend it plz forgive my foolishness I have sin on this thread aginst man woman and God I must seek forgivness from my brother and be reconciled before I seek forgiveness with the Lord I hope you al my forgive me for I am young in need to be better in line with the word and understand it better .

 

[WolfGaming]

I felt convictied by the holy spirt to say this to you all

 

[Tintin]

She is 22 now . 2012 is about 3 years ago. that makes her 18-19 not 14 when she married.

Calculator lcds sometimes make 9s look like 4s. you need to watch that.

I'm not saying she was married when she was 14 years old, but that she's been with the guy she's married to since she was 14.

 

[PoetMary]

I'm not saying she was married when she was 14 years old, but that she's been with the guy she's married to since she was 14.

Another, non-reader, Tintin. She clearly said that they'd been together since high school. Apparently, they missed the posts where she said that.

 

[Ugly]

Oh good, the gender bashing is still spreading. Funny how women here are quick to discuss these 'vile' men and put them down, while at the same time talking about men having such negative attitudes towards women and looking down on them. Such an irony how you look down on men while complaining that men look down on women.

I've been a Christian since i was 14 and the first time i knew of a man that held misapplied scripture over a woman was coming to CC 4 years ago. So one persons experience does not mean it is reflective of the majority of people. And i have seen quite a bit of men thinking it's their job to dominate women in the secular community. So my experiences are contrary to the above posters.
Truth is the issue has nothing to do with what religion someone is. A man who thinks it's his job to dominate a woman will find a way to justify it, regardless of his religious beliefs. The only difference is Christian men are more verbal about it because they believe they are right in doing so according to the bible. This doesn't make it a more common problem among Christians, just that they vocalize it more.