Pride goes before destruction

[Reborn]

No excuses. If you know the Bible like you claim to, then you will have no trouble in explaining how the verses I put forth relate to one another within their respective texts.

I'm not out to prove that l know the Bible really well.

I'm out to prove that you don't.....and you shouldn't teach.
That would be worth the work.

 

[Reborn]

I am not denying believers have not sinned and or are not capable of sinning. But they do not stay down in the mud as sinners, though. True believers will in time perfect their walk with Christ and become stronger in Him. They do not continue to live like they used to live as a way of life. The apostles were not immoral men their entire lives. Many of them lived righteously. Not by their own power but by Christ who was working within them.

Strike one. You say on occasion that we CAN SIN. Yet you tell others to be perfect, and claim that you are without sin.

No excuses. If you know the Bible like you claim to, then you will have no trouble in explaining how the verses I put forth relate to one another within their respective texts.

Strike two. You make the rules up, which implies that you aren't up for logical, reasonable, and fair debate.
This is not how we learn and grow together.
Your way of the highway?

Not fair, Jason.
So how do we proceed?

Up above you have proven to be a hypocrite with teaching one thing and living another way.

 

[Reborn]

I am not denying believers have not sinned and or are not capable of sinning. But they do not stay down in the mud as sinners, though. True believers will in time perfect their walk with Christ and become stronger in Him. They do not continue to live like they used to live as a way of life. The apostles were not immoral men their entire lives. Many of them lived righteously. Not by their own power but by Christ who was working within them.

I'm not out to prove that l know the Bible really well.

I'm out to prove that you don't.....and you shouldn't teach.
That would be worth the work.

Correction: you shouldn't be teaching your message of perfection.
You are flawed just like me

My bad.

Now l'm responding to my own posts. You do have some impact on me.

 

[Jason0047]

I'm not out to prove that l know the Bible really well.

I'm out to prove that you don't.....and you shouldn't teach.
That would be worth the work.

You just challenged me to defend your position in the Bible as if you were going to win and now you are saying you don't know the Bible all that well? Tell me, if you do not know the Bible all that well, then how can you claim to know those verses that I have no problem understanding and explaining?

 

[Jason0047]

Correction: you shouldn't be teaching your message of perfection.
You are flawed just like me

My bad.

Now l'm responding to my own posts. You do have some impact on me.

I never said I was perfect. I said that "perfection" is the goal for every believer. Jesus said be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. So your issue is not with me but with what Jesus has said.

 

[Reborn]

You just challenged me to defend your position in the Bible as if you were going to win and now you are saying you don't know the Bible all that well? Tell me, if you do not know the Bible all that well, then how can you claim to know those verses that I have no problem understanding and explaining?

I do.
I'm not out to prove that l'm a master of the Word.

I'm flawed, bro.

I just don't see how its fair that you give me two or three verses, jump right in, .....when we haven't even established what l wrote before.

 

[Sirk]

I do.
I'm not out to prove that l'm a master of the Word.

I'm flawed, bro.

I just don't see how its fair that you give me two or three verses, jump right in, .....when we haven't even established what l wrote before.

He's not intersted in what you have to say....he likes only to hear himself. Isn't that obvious.

 

[Jason0047]

I do.
I'm not out to prove that l'm a master of the Word.

I'm flawed, bro.

I just don't see how its fair that you give me two or three verses, jump right in, .....when we haven't even established what l wrote before.

I have no problem explaining Scripture. This is because God gives understanding to His people when they study His Word. The verses I brought up are child's play to me. So if you cannot explain the verses I brought up, then I am going to assume you have no way real way of knowing what they truly say. But the thing is that you can know, though. You can ask God to show you what they are saying. Not so as to prove what you believe but to show you the truth.

 

[Reborn]

He's not intersted in what you have to say....he likes only to hear himself. Isn't that obvious.

I know man.

At least l know l tried.
I knew he wouldn't really be up for it. I hoped, .....but knew already.

We know the outcome....if l dont jump on those verses (that you have already tackled l believe?) he will most likely brush me off.
A slick way to avoid that scary feeling we all have deep inside "What if our opponent is right?"

Pride over the possibility of being corrected.
I know l'm guilty of it on occasion.

 

[Reborn]

I have no problem explaining Scripture. This is because God gives understanding to His people when they study His Word. The verses I brought up are child's play to me. So if you cannot explain the verses I brought up, then I am going to assume you have no way real way of knowing what they truly say. But the thing is that you can know, though. You can ask God to show you what they are saying. Not so as to prove what you believe but to show you the truth.

Careful now.

Your ego is already showing, and we haven't even stepped up to the podium.

 

[Jason0047]

Careful now.

Your ego is already showing, and we haven't even stepped up to the podium.

Well, I am not taking the credit for the knowledge that I have. All the glory goes to the Lord for any knowledge that have learned from His Word. So there is no brownie points that I have done anything special. Christians are led into all truth by His Spirit.

 

[Sirk]

Well, I am not taking the credit for the knowledge that I have. All the glory goes to the Lord for any knowledge that have learned from His Word. So there is no brownie points that I have done anything special. Christians are led into all truth by His Spirit.

Well..."childs play to me" sounds nothing like the backpedaling you are doing here.

 

[Jason0047]

Well..."childs play to me" sounds nothing like the backpedaling you are doing here.

It's child's play because God has given me the knowledge in His Word on that part of the Bible where it is easy (i.e. child's play) to explain it. For I do not believe that the knowledge that I have obtained involving the Scriptures comes from me.

 

[kennethcadwell]

But one has to forsake sin and their evil ways for the blood to cleanse them of all their sin (See 1 John 1:7). God gives us grace. But this is grace so we can conform to His image and not grace so we can keep stumbling into sin just so as to confess it all the time. God wants us to forsake our evil ways. For Jesus Christ defined repentance for us. Jesus said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, it says the Ninevites turned from their wicked and evil ways as a part of their repentance. Jesus told the woman caught in the act of adultery to sin no more. Repentance involves one turning from evil and not staying down in their evil and wicked ways. See the previous verses I listed on how we used to be sinners but we are not that way anymore in Post #433.

You still have an issue with discerning between habitual sin and one who stumbles here or there................

So if you were to sin tomorrow Jason you would no longer have salvation?????

That's right you probably would come back and say you never sin any more, but if you state that then the bible says you are a liar.

If a person is walking properly in the faith and then one day stumbles and sins, then repents of it their salvation is not hindered one bit. If this pattern happens the rest of their life then their salvation is not going to be lost or forfeited one bit.

The only way they will forfeit the salvation that is given at the day of redemption is if they don't give up their sinful ways.
Meaning they say they repent and confess their sin, but then turn around and continue to do it day in and day out. In other words their was no real Godly sorrow in their repentance as they did not want to give it up.
Or the other way is if they go back to a sinful lifestyle to where they never repent of it and return to the Lord.

Example of salvation not being lost/forfeited;

Drunk takes and repents and quit's drinking, two years later he falls back into a drunken lifestyle, he again repents of this and stops drinking for awhile again. He continues for awhile walking properly, and lives another 20 years. In those 20 years he falls back to drinking again 3 to 5 more times but in each case he repents and turns back to the Lord.

If a person has to live a complete sin free lifestyle to get salvation like you state, then a last minute death bed repentance would not get a person salvation by your standard. That is absolutely false thinking, and I would please ask you to not take the mercy and remission of sins of others that can/will be given by the Lord and putting it in your own hands.

 

[Sirk]

It's child's play because God has given me the knowledge in His Word on that part of the Bible where it is easy (i.e. child's play) to explain it.

mmmmhmmmm...still backpedaling. Can you admit that was an arrogant post or not? You should repent ya know? Can you?

 

[Jason0047]

mmmmhmmmm...still backpedaling. Can you admit that was an arrogant post or not? You should repent ya know? Can you?

I do not believe that the knowledge that I have obtained involving the Scriptures comes from me. So you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It's child's play because God has given me the knowledge in His Word on that part of the Bible where it is easy (i.e. child's play) to explain it.

Jason I agree with you on some things, but the problem is in some areas you are overly righteous which is another way of saying self righteous. Because the way you explain things some times you make everybody going to the lake of fire who are not 100% perfect.

The bible makes it clear that nobody reaches that goal tell the day of redemption, because right now we are still walking in corruptable fleshly bodies. We have to be transformed into our incorruptable spiritual bodies to inherit the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Sirk]

I do not believe that the knowledge that I have obtained involving the Scriptures comes from me. So you are barking up the wrong tree.

I guess it's "childs play to you". That was a good view into who you are. Thanks for it.

 

[Reborn]

I have no problem explaining Scripture. This is because God gives understanding to His people when they study His Word. The verses I brought up are child's play to me. So if you cannot explain the verses I brought up, then I am going to assume you have no way real way of knowing what they truly say. But the thing is that you can know, though. You can ask God to show you what they are saying. Not so as to prove what you believe but to show you the truth.

Well, I am not taking the credit for the knowledge that I have. All the glory goes to the Lord for any knowledge that have learned from His Word. So there is no brownie points that I have done anything special. Christians are led into all truth by His Spirit.

It's child's play because God has given me the knowledge in His Word on that part of the Bible where it is easy (i.e. child's play) to explain it. For I do not believe that the knowledge that I have obtained involving the Scriptures comes from me.

Bottom line....l need the Holy Spirit , like you have?

"Child's play"?
Jason, you seem to be getting more and more childish with your responses?
I can see l struck a nerve?

Might need to bail and repent....before you say something you might regret?
.....or did you already?

Well, at least you lasted longer than the other guy today, I'll give you that.

 

[Jason0047]

You still have an issue with discerning between habitual sin and one who stumbles here or there................

So if you were to sin tomorrow Jason you would no longer have salvation?????

That's right you probably would come back and say you never sin any more, but if you state that then the bible says you are a liar.

So are you saying you believe 1 John 1:8 is saying that we will always sin? What about 1 John 2:4?

If a person is walking properly in the faith and then one day stumbles and sins, then repents of it their salvation is not hindered one bit. If this pattern happens the rest of their life then their salvation is not going to be lost or forfeited one bit.

It depends. If there is no fruit to show forth their faith, can a dead faith save a person? (James 2:17).

Do you also not know that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord? (Hebrews 12:14).

The only way they will forfeit the salvation that is given at the day of redemption is if they don't give up their sinful ways.
Meaning they say they repent and confess their sin, but then turn around and continue to do it day in and day out. In other words their was no real Godly sorrow in their repentance as they did not want to give it up.
Or the other way is if they go back to a sinful lifestyle to where they never repent of it and return to the Lord.

Yes, this is true. If they do not turn from their evil and wicked ways eventually then they are choosing their sin over the Lord.

Example of salvation not being lost/forfeited;

Drunk takes and repents and quit's drinking, two years later he falls back into a drunken lifestyle, he again repents of this and stops drinking for awhile again. He continues for awhile walking properly, and lives another 20 years. In those 20 years he falls back to drinking again 3 to 5 more times but in each case he repents and turns back to the Lord.

If a person has to live a complete sin free lifestyle to get salvation like you state, then a last minute death bed repentance would not get a person salvation by your standard. That is absolutely false thinking, and I would please ask you to not take the mercy and remission of sins of others that can/will be given by the Lord and putting it in your own hands.

Yes, I am not denying the Lord is merciful and can forgive, but there has to be a change in one's life at some point where they start to walk uprightly before the Lord.

"And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (1 Peter 4:18).