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Take it as you see it. It says what it says. If you want to think of it as your heater, you can do that, but keep taking it for what it says. We're going to make it into images we can understand, but just as long as we don't get into stuff like Eng. Lit./World Lit teachers do, (the wallpaper in the study was blue to represent blahblahblah, when in reality maybe the author just liked blue wallpaper), you'll be all right.
I am so glad you begun your journey in reading the Bible. Please know that while you are reading, there are many evidences in support of the Scriptures.
Here is a thread link to some...
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...cal-evidences-supporting-truth-gods-word.html
Also, I would highly recommend checking out this short comic book gospel tract, too.
This Was Your Life.
Here is a thread link to some...
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...cal-evidences-supporting-truth-gods-word.html
Also, I would highly recommend checking out this short comic book gospel tract, too.
This Was Your Life.
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His post 10 merely hit the same thing the rest of us caught when we read Gen. 1. It really is mind boggling. It really is "I never knew that before." It really is a brand new experience that does make us envision the whole of the universe and yet try to put it into something we can understand, because not a one of us can imagine how big that creation was. So let him be mind boggled. Let him think as he will. Have a little faith that Allan is smart enough to get this, and God will do what God does do while Allan reads the Bible.
Have fun, Allan. There's a lot that will surprise you. Great read.
Now I'm going to stop or you're going to spend too much time reading this stuff when you could be reading the book. :x
Have fun, Allan. There's a lot that will surprise you. Great read.
Now I'm going to stop or you're going to spend too much time reading this stuff when you could be reading the book. :x
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Welcome!
Starting from the beginning is one of many ways. I preferred to read one book from Old Testament and one from New at a time. A full cover to cover is very common as well. It's really how you decide.
Just keep in mind that Old Testament is a record of early times in to the creation of Israelits as a group so the OT laws and standards are going to be ancient Judaism that has morphed in to modern Judaism and pre-Israelite mores.
So if you're looking to focus on Christianity you will most likely be better off focusing on New Testament and following references. But keep in mind that footnotes and editor's note after often just option or the preferred theory or teaching of something. So it's better to just read first, reference then footnotes on the second readthroigh.
Starting from the beginning is one of many ways. I preferred to read one book from Old Testament and one from New at a time. A full cover to cover is very common as well. It's really how you decide.
Just keep in mind that Old Testament is a record of early times in to the creation of Israelits as a group so the OT laws and standards are going to be ancient Judaism that has morphed in to modern Judaism and pre-Israelite mores.
So if you're looking to focus on Christianity you will most likely be better off focusing on New Testament and following references. But keep in mind that footnotes and editor's note after often just option or the preferred theory or teaching of something. So it's better to just read first, reference then footnotes on the second readthroigh.
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Allan, it's certainly true that one can get bogged down or confused by many things in the Old Testament if limited by their own human understanding and that is precisely why I asked you to ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you in those books as He did for the two men on the road to Emmaus and His disciples after He rose from the dead. He's no respecter of persons. He opened their understanding in the past and he'll open your understanding in the present if you but ask Him to. He is Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.
Since Leviticus has been mentioned, when you read that book and read about the ministry of the high priest who was to mediate between God and the people, think on Christ our true High Priest and mediator. When you read of all the different sacrifices and the purposes or sins for which they were offered, think on Christ our sacrifice and recognize that He died to rectify these same purposes and sins in the lives of His people. If you're still confused at that point, then it might be best to jump over to the New Testament epistle to the Hebrews to see the distinctions between the Old Testament priesthood and sacrifices and the New Testament Priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The Old Testament comprises something like 75% of our Bibles as far as volume goes and Christ can be found in all of it. We are by no means limited to the New Testament in our quest to know Christ. He truly is from everlasting to everlasting and He existed even before Genesis. In fact, He is the One Who did the creating in the first chapter of Genesis.
Again, may God bless your reading of His Word and bring you to know both Himself and Jesus Christ for this truly is what eternal life is all about.
Since Leviticus has been mentioned, when you read that book and read about the ministry of the high priest who was to mediate between God and the people, think on Christ our true High Priest and mediator. When you read of all the different sacrifices and the purposes or sins for which they were offered, think on Christ our sacrifice and recognize that He died to rectify these same purposes and sins in the lives of His people. If you're still confused at that point, then it might be best to jump over to the New Testament epistle to the Hebrews to see the distinctions between the Old Testament priesthood and sacrifices and the New Testament Priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
The Old Testament comprises something like 75% of our Bibles as far as volume goes and Christ can be found in all of it. We are by no means limited to the New Testament in our quest to know Christ. He truly is from everlasting to everlasting and He existed even before Genesis. In fact, He is the One Who did the creating in the first chapter of Genesis.
Again, may God bless your reading of His Word and bring you to know both Himself and Jesus Christ for this truly is what eternal life is all about.
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I'd say it was a very real thing
Could Noah's Ark really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from Flood? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the Ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters]. Noah’s Ark was said to have been the largest sea-going vessel ever built until the late nineteenth century when giant metal ships were first constructed. Its length to width ratio of six to one provided excellent stability on the high seas. In fact, modern shipbuilders say it would have been almost impossible to turn over. In every way, it was admirably suited for riding out the tremendous storms in the year of the flood.
The total available floor space on the Ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.
According to Ernest Mayr, America’s leading taxonomist (deceased), there are over 1 million species of animals in the world
However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark.
(...)
Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word “specie” is not equivalent to the “created kinds” of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.
But, let’s be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let’s assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.
Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah’s family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.
Could Noah's Ark really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from Flood? • ChristianAnswers.Net
Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the Ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters]. Noah’s Ark was said to have been the largest sea-going vessel ever built until the late nineteenth century when giant metal ships were first constructed. Its length to width ratio of six to one provided excellent stability on the high seas. In fact, modern shipbuilders say it would have been almost impossible to turn over. In every way, it was admirably suited for riding out the tremendous storms in the year of the flood.
The total available floor space on the Ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.
According to Ernest Mayr, America’s leading taxonomist (deceased), there are over 1 million species of animals in the world
However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark.
(...)
Doctors Morris and Whitcomb in their classic book,The Genesis Flood state that no more than 35,000 individual animals needed to go on the ark. In his well documented book, Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, John Woodmorappe suggests that far fewer animals would have been transported upon the ark. By pointing out that the word “specie” is not equivalent to the “created kinds” of the Genesis account, Woodmorappe credibly demonstrates that as few as 2,000 animals may have been required on the ark. To pad this number for error, he continues his study by showing that the ark could easily accommodate 16,000 animals.
But, let’s be generous and add on a reasonable number to include extinct animals. Then add on some more to satisfy even the most skeptical. Let’s assume 50,000 animals, far more animals than required, were on board the ark, and these need not have been the largest or even adult specimens.
Remember there are really only a few very large animals, such as the dinosaur or the elephant, and these could be represented by young ones. Assuming the average animal to be about the size of a sheep and using a railroad car for comparison, we note that the average double-deck stock car can accommodate 240 sheep. Thus, three trains hauling 69 cars each would have ample space to carry the 50,000 animals, filling only 37% of the ark. This would leave an additional 361 cars or enough to make 5 trains of 72 cars each to carry all of the food and baggage plus Noah’s family of eight people. The Ark had plenty of space.
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Aside from the space issue. We have the question of how did the animals get to the ark from places like Australia etc, then how did they find their way back?
After the flood wiped out everything, what would the animals eat when they got back on land? What would the meat eaters eat if everything was gone?
Then we have the salt water and fresh water mixing which would kill alot of the sea dwellers.
I shudder to think how the cleaning duties would be handled lol.
All seriousness though. I'm struggling with this already. Before I continue I have to be assured of the facts of the Ark story.
After the flood wiped out everything, what would the animals eat when they got back on land? What would the meat eaters eat if everything was gone?
Then we have the salt water and fresh water mixing which would kill alot of the sea dwellers.
I shudder to think how the cleaning duties would be handled lol.
All seriousness though. I'm struggling with this already. Before I continue I have to be assured of the facts of the Ark story.
Why are you jumping to the conclusion that there were two different kinds of water from the beginning?
You have just come face-to-face with one of our problems of reading a 6,000 year-old book from only our narrow, focused view of limited 21st Century awareness.
(Don't try to make the Bible a science book.)
You have just come face-to-face with one of our problems of reading a 6,000 year-old book from only our narrow, focused view of limited 21st Century awareness.
(Don't try to make the Bible a science book.)
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both.
it was real.....................and as 'miraculous' as creation, no doubt. This 'second start.'
well........I guess creation out of nothing's even more 'miraculous.'
On the other hand, God by definition isn't miraculous.
He just Is.
In regard to kangaroos, i'm guessing the Lord puts 'em there.
I've never been to Australia.
As to the symbol---it signifies the Triune God (3 stories), embodied in the man Jesus Christ,
as the New Testament says, as the rescue not only for mankind, but all life that He's created.
From His judgment on sin.
And the fact that it's a building, a construction, signifies the Body of Christ.
The Lord Jesus Christ said, I will build My church
it was real.....................and as 'miraculous' as creation, no doubt. This 'second start.'
well........I guess creation out of nothing's even more 'miraculous.'
On the other hand, God by definition isn't miraculous.
He just Is.
In regard to kangaroos, i'm guessing the Lord puts 'em there.
I've never been to Australia.
As to the symbol---it signifies the Triune God (3 stories), embodied in the man Jesus Christ,
as the New Testament says, as the rescue not only for mankind, but all life that He's created.
From His judgment on sin.
And the fact that it's a building, a construction, signifies the Body of Christ.
The Lord Jesus Christ said, I will build My church