The very fact that someone said there was not "one" verse in my long post, when there was, speaks louder than words.
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Tankman131
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What do you call someone who lies?
a liar.
what do you call someone who saves?
a savior.
what do you call someone who sins?
a sinner.
1 John 1:5-10
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.[/FONT]
Well you will be waiting a long time then. People have been bathing you in scripture.
One must abide in the word to know the word,even if it is not copied and pasted verbatim from Bible gateway
My apologies. There were some verses embedded in the text that did not have references. Then there was a reference without a verse. I kind of feel to make ourselves clear, we need to cite both together, preferably highlighted or set apart. But you are not the only offender. And it is not a rule, nor necessary.
It just makes it a lot harder for the reader to find the verses. Particularly newbies who may read the text and not see any bible verses, because they don't know them. Seeking clarity is important to me! That is also why I nitpick a bit!
My bad!
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Tankman131
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You actually posted a verse that pertains to the wolves in sheeps clothing. They act as if they have a special gift of the Holy Spirit, boasting of great deeds and miracles, yet when they are put to the test the Holy Spirit is shown not to be in them. Just as Christ said in Matthew 24:24:
For false christs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
How do i know they false prophets are pseudochristos? By testing their words against scripture as the bereans did:
The brothers[b] immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
These false prophets have failed their litmus test.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
For false christs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
How do i know they false prophets are pseudochristos? By testing their words against scripture as the bereans did:
The brothers[b] immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
These false prophets have failed their litmus test.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
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ladylynn
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I see the problem is you don't know who you are in Christ. ( I did not for a very long time) If you have accepted Jesus as your Savoir., You have the gift of righteousness and are now a son. The old covenant is all about you and how you perform. The new covenant of grace is all about Jesus. The law places the demand on you to perform and makes you self-conscience whereas -grace places the demand on Jesus and makes you Jesus-conscience. That is the difference. You are now under grace and no longer a lost sinner but a saved son because of Jesus. Your identity is found in Christ now. "For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace"
We are to keep turning from ourselves and look to Jesus. God's Word says that "we all with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord"
When a Christian starts believing that they are the righteousness of Christ, they will start to live righteously. Everything they do will stem from the awareness of their righteous identity in Christ. If you don't know who you are IN Christ you will say you are still a sinner. Our sins have been forgiven and put on Christ. When we begin to take that to heart, then we really begin to change inside and out.
Romans 6.1-14
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]We know that our old self[SUP][a][/SUP] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For one who has died has been set free[SUP][b][/SUP] from sin. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Eddie Lee Long
Eddie Long and Ludacris
In a write up about Bishop Long and Friends, the site NuthinButGospel.com informs it's readers that Bishop Long was "No stranger to the music industry".
He
"... was featured on rapper Ludacris' album "Release Therapy." He appeared on the final track "Freedom of Preach" where he delivered a speech about God and faith.
Release Therapy won the Best Rap Album award for the 2007 Grammy Awards and is said to feature a departure of the lighthearted mood of Ludacris' previous albums, and introduces a darker side.
Now that's a scary thought, considering that Ludacris, who some consider more vile than Eminem, (is that even possible?) was a featured representative of Pepsi until, on August 27, 2002, Bill O'Reilly called for all Americans to boycott Pepsi products, saying that Ludacris' lyrics glamorize a "life of guns, violence, drugs and disrespect of women". O'Reilly wasn't exactly joking as the lyrics of Ludacris' 2001 "Move *****" show.. (And believe me, the small portion of the lyrics I have quoted are tame, compared to what follows)
I'm doin' a hundred on the highway, So if you do the speed limit, get the F... outta my way
I'm D.U.I., hardly ever caught sober, and you about to get ran the F... over
And that people, is the kind of man that our modern day, pathetic apologies for ‘Christian’ ministers, ‘make music’ and associate with.
What is really mind-boggling are the following two lines on this tract, both by Ludacris
I know some folks may not agree or even like this song, But I'm just speakin MY truth, cause I heard it sets you free
“He resides, in me (yeah)”.
The Sex Scandal
Since this is an article on "lifestyles" of the Tele-evangelists, I guess the following summary from Wikipedia is not out of place.
On September 21 and 22, 2010, Maurice Robinson, Anthony Flagg, and Jamal Parris filed separate lawsuits in DeKalb County Superior Court alleging that Long used his pastoral influence to coerce them into a sexual relationship with him. Flagg's suit says that Long presided over a spiritual "covenant" ceremony between the two of them.
"It was essentially a marriage ceremony, with candles, exchange of jewelry, and biblical quotes," Bernstein said Tuesday. "The bishop [told] him I will always have your back and you will always have mine."
Robinson's suit alleges that "Defendant Long would use Holy Scripture to discuss and justify the intimate relationship between himself and Plaintiff Robinson." [72]
The third suit was filed in DeKalb County Superior Court, said a spokeswoman for attorney B.J. Bernstein. [73]
On September 24, Spencer LeGrande, a member of a New Birth satellite church in Charlotte, North Carolina, filed a similar suit, making him the fourth man to file a lawsuit claiming sexual misconduct by Long. The complaint, filed in DeKalb State Court, comes after three other men filed lawsuits on Tuesday and Wednesday saying they were 17- and 18-year-old members of the church when they say Long abused his spiritual authority to seduce them with cars, money, clothes, jewelry, international trips and access to celebrities. [74]
Tele-Evangelist Lifestyles
Eddie Long and Ludacris
In a write up about Bishop Long and Friends, the site NuthinButGospel.com informs it's readers that Bishop Long was "No stranger to the music industry".
He
"... was featured on rapper Ludacris' album "Release Therapy." He appeared on the final track "Freedom of Preach" where he delivered a speech about God and faith.
Release Therapy won the Best Rap Album award for the 2007 Grammy Awards and is said to feature a departure of the lighthearted mood of Ludacris' previous albums, and introduces a darker side.
Now that's a scary thought, considering that Ludacris, who some consider more vile than Eminem, (is that even possible?) was a featured representative of Pepsi until, on August 27, 2002, Bill O'Reilly called for all Americans to boycott Pepsi products, saying that Ludacris' lyrics glamorize a "life of guns, violence, drugs and disrespect of women". O'Reilly wasn't exactly joking as the lyrics of Ludacris' 2001 "Move *****" show.. (And believe me, the small portion of the lyrics I have quoted are tame, compared to what follows)
I'm doin' a hundred on the highway, So if you do the speed limit, get the F... outta my way
I'm D.U.I., hardly ever caught sober, and you about to get ran the F... over
And that people, is the kind of man that our modern day, pathetic apologies for ‘Christian’ ministers, ‘make music’ and associate with.
What is really mind-boggling are the following two lines on this tract, both by Ludacris
I know some folks may not agree or even like this song, But I'm just speakin MY truth, cause I heard it sets you free
“He resides, in me (yeah)”.
The Sex Scandal
Since this is an article on "lifestyles" of the Tele-evangelists, I guess the following summary from Wikipedia is not out of place.
On September 21 and 22, 2010, Maurice Robinson, Anthony Flagg, and Jamal Parris filed separate lawsuits in DeKalb County Superior Court alleging that Long used his pastoral influence to coerce them into a sexual relationship with him. Flagg's suit says that Long presided over a spiritual "covenant" ceremony between the two of them.
"It was essentially a marriage ceremony, with candles, exchange of jewelry, and biblical quotes," Bernstein said Tuesday. "The bishop [told] him I will always have your back and you will always have mine."
Robinson's suit alleges that "Defendant Long would use Holy Scripture to discuss and justify the intimate relationship between himself and Plaintiff Robinson." [72]
The third suit was filed in DeKalb County Superior Court, said a spokeswoman for attorney B.J. Bernstein. [73]
On September 24, Spencer LeGrande, a member of a New Birth satellite church in Charlotte, North Carolina, filed a similar suit, making him the fourth man to file a lawsuit claiming sexual misconduct by Long. The complaint, filed in DeKalb State Court, comes after three other men filed lawsuits on Tuesday and Wednesday saying they were 17- and 18-year-old members of the church when they say Long abused his spiritual authority to seduce them with cars, money, clothes, jewelry, international trips and access to celebrities. [74]
Tele-Evangelist Lifestyles
It's always the brainwashed who enjoy calling others brainwashed. That's not me! I know Jesus, and I am filled with Holy Spirit, and can discern truth well.
Take your long and arduous preaching and preach it to yourself.
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Tankman131
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You realize that you just contradicted scripture with your feelings right?
How do you get around the verse i posted. The Bible clearly says you are decieving yourself with this false doctrine.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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Of course the instruction about submitting to the baptism of the Holy Spirit is scriptural!
Acts 10:47
“Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Acts 11:16
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
I may add also one excellent example of the subsequent baptism of the Holy spirit as described in:
Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions until he reached Ephesus, on the coast, where he found several believers. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” he asked them.“No,” they replied, “we haven’t even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Then what baptism did you experience?” he asked.
And they replied, “The baptism of John.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism called for repentance from sin. But John himself told the people to believe in the one who would come later, meaning Jesus.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]As soon as they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.
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Tankman131
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You posted Bible verses we both agree on, but have not answered the verse in question. Either you are a sinner in need of the saving grace of Christ, or you are saying that Christ lied and that the Bible is false when it states ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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Tankman131
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By saying you arent a sinner you no longer are repentant of your sins if you ever were. In order to be repentant you must acknowledge you are a sinner, that you sin and ask for forgiveness of those sins.
If you actually read a post that has scripture in it without the references cited, your heart and mind should resonate to it.
And GOD is a Spirit and must be worshiped in spirit and truth
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Romans 8:10
king James version(kjv)
10.)And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
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Romans 8:10
king James version(kjv)
10.)And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1. While there may be one perfect interpretation or understanding of scripture none of us has it.
For NOW we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. (1 Cor 13:12 RSV)
2. I find it interesting that you would claim to know what I believe when you don't even know me, nor have you adequately inquired.
Keep your tongue from evil, and your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil, and do good; see peace, and pursue it. (Psalm 34:12-14 RSV)
3. My words were a reminder to everyone (including myself) that we are engaging in this discussion with fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. While we may fervently debate an ISSUE, we should avoid personal insults and deliberately mean words spoken only to score points of another person without gaining any meaningful understanding of the issue.
I do not find a calling for kindness to be too lofty a goal for people who all desperately need a savior and who have claimed Christ as their own.
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love. (I John 4:7-8 RSV)