Nine dead in Charleston church shooting

[achildofGod]

destroying rrible! I couldn't believe it, when I heard it on the news this morning! And I do believe WE have a race problem-- the way the shooting was handled was completely different than the other mass shootings from the States (which have not been majority Black population)-- I can say that there is only one race, the HUMAN race-- but everyone has a human experience, and depending on where you are it matters differently, but race plays a part in how you are treated.

In anycase, this is a horrible tragedy. May God be with the families of those people shot, and all others who were witnesses to this senseless act.

I agree with depending where your'e at. Here, everyone trys to get along. We have very little black on
white crime, or white on black crime. That man who did the killing last night, does not even live here.
He lives in Columbia, SC. I don't know why he came down here to kill. He said some things in the police
car, that really disturbs me to no end. 9 people lost their lives, because of one stupid person.
You can go over 1 state either way, the crime is unreal. Murders in one of the larger city is 5-7
a week. The media don't report it because it will hurt the ruling party.
We had a black man, last month who shot a cop in the head at point blank range, non of the national
news reported it. Thank God the cop lived, but he will never be able to hold his baby again, never be able
to work again. Yea, they caught the guy, but that does not help the cop or his family.
I don't know what the answers are, I wished that we could live our lives the way God wants us to.
I just get tired of the media making excuses, and destroying peoples lives.

 

[Desdichado]

UNTIL THE UNITED STATES WAKES UP AND REALIZES ANYTHING BUT ALLOWING SOMEONE TO PROTECT THEIR HOME WITH A SHOTGUN, AND OUTLAWING EVERY OTHER KIND OF HANDGUN ECT ON THE MARKET... OUR PRESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE MORE "TRAGEDY" SPEECHES THAN STATE OF THE UNION ADRESSES!!!! THIS IS REDICULOUS. OUR "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" WAS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. AS WAS, IF I BELIEVE... THE DESIRE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DO WE AS AMERICANS "NEED" TO CARRY HANDGUNS?!? WHY? YOU CANNOT GIVE ME ONE REASON WHY. SHOTGUN IN THE HOME- OKAY. EVERYTHING ELSE... ILLEGAL. WAKE UP GOP AND STOP LETTING THE NRA LOBBYISTS ENJOY THESE TRAGEDIES.

Did anyone actually read this?

 

[achildofGod]

Did anyone actually read this?

I tried to, I think he's a young and misguided soul. What people like him don't
understand is, it don't just take a gun to kill someone.

 

[Desdichado]

I tried to, I think he's a young and misguided soul. What people like him don't
understand is, it don't just take a gun to kill someone.

I was talking more about the delivery than the actual content, but both are equally ridiculous I suppose.

 

[LettucePrey]

You say and I quote "If just one person in that church had a gun this maniac could have been stopped..." Well, ONE person in that Church DID have a gun. I think you meant to say if one MORE person in that Church had a gun. And I Agree, we have kicked God out of this country... and it is a problem, for if we seek the Kingdom of God first, all else will fall into place.

 

[LettucePrey]

I'm not sure I know what a "yellow dog democrat" is, but my political views are very centrist. I agree with the GOP on some things, Progressives on others. If you want to get into specifics I suppose we could but that would be like side stepping this thread and starting a new one. I will be voting for the republican primary's for most likely Huckabee, Cruz, Carson, Fiorina or Walker. In no particular order I will have to wait to hear debates. If that is a young picture of you or your son, thank you for our service to this Country. God bless the USA!

 

[Mitspa]

Lettuce, all those people your going to vote for would say the same thing I am saying....Liberty demands that honest Americans always have the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[LettucePrey]

Yes, but what KIND of arms? Multi-round arms that are being used in these outrageous attacks?!? Or arms more suited towards home defense... In example a shotgun? You can't hide a shotgun in a Bible Study class in a Church for an hour before killing NINE people. It's what KIND of arms people should be allowed to keep is what needs DESPERATELY to be examined and reformed. Also to note, that is just the primary I would be voting on, there's a strong possibility I will not exercise my right to vote come the presidential election, until they reform that too, and count the popular vote instead of using the outdated electoral college.

 

[Desdichado]

Yes, but what KIND of arms? Multi-round arms that are being used in these outrageous attacks?!? Or arms more suited towards home defense... In example a shotgun? You can't hide a shotgun in a Bible Study class in a Church for an hour before killing NINE people. It's what KIND of arms people should be allowed to keep is what needs DESPERATELY to be examined and reformed. Also to note, that is just the primary I would be voting on, there's a strong possibility I will not exercise my right to vote come the presidential election, until they reform that too, and count the popular vote instead of using the outdated electoral college.

Either Godissalvation has cloned himself or we have found his long lost brother!

 

[Desdichado]

Yes, but what KIND of arms? Multi-round arms that are being used in these outrageous attacks?!? Or arms more suited towards home defense... In example a shotgun? You can't hide a shotgun in a Bible Study class in a Church for an hour before killing NINE people. It's what KIND of arms people should be allowed to keep is what needs DESPERATELY to be examined and reformed. Also to note, that is just the primary I would be voting on, there's a strong possibility I will not exercise my right to vote come the presidential election, until they reform that too, and count the popular vote instead of using the outdated electoral college.

You couldn't kill 9 people with a shotgun in close quarters? This is ridiculous.

 

[royalscot]

Charleston church shooting: Live updates on police manhunt - BBC News

The victims have been officially named by the county coroner:

• Cynthia Hurd, 54, female
• Susie Jackson, 87, female
• Ethel Lance, 70, female
• Depayne Middleton, 49, female
• Clementa Pinckney, 41, male
• Tywanza Sanders, 26, male
• Rev Daniel Simmons Sr, 74, male, who died in hospital
• Rev Sharon Singleton, 45, female
• Myra Thompson, 59, female

[h=1]Charleston church shooting: The victims remembered[/h]
Charleston church shooting: The victims remembered - BBC News

 

[PennEd]

Yes, but what KIND of arms? Multi-round arms that are being used in these outrageous attacks?!? Or arms more suited towards home defense... In example a shotgun? You can't hide a shotgun in a Bible Study class in a Church for an hour before killing NINE people. It's what KIND of arms people should be allowed to keep is what needs DESPERATELY to be examined and reformed. Also to note, that is just the primary I would be voting on, there's a strong possibility I will not exercise my right to vote come the presidential election, until they reform that too, and count the popular vote instead of using the outdated electoral college.

I hesitate to get into a gun debate, and I sincerely understand your frustration and anger at all the gun related murders, but one question NEVER gets answered by those advocating gun control. That is, How do you take the guns away from the criminals? By definition they BREAK THE LAW. And this applies to hand guns as well. So the moment law abiding citizens have to turn in their weapons, you are literally telling the criminals that there is no fear of a good person having the ability to defend themselves. Can you give me a logical answer to that question? I pray God would heal all our hearts in this mess. Peace to you Brother.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

It's what KIND of arms people should be allowed to keep is what needs DESPERATELY to be examined and reformed.

So where do you stop confiscating once you start? After you've decided that small arms that can be hidden from view should be banned, do you then decide large caliber guns also need to go, because "they leave too big a hole"?

And as Des said, what makes you think you can't hide a shotgun or kill nine people with one? If you don't know anything about guns -- and you don't -- then you probably should be disqualified from having any say in how they should be regulated.

 

[jennymae]

The US is founded on an idea of freedom. A ban on guns would violate that freedom. And whos gonna put a ban on them? DC? I guess that would be a clear violation of state rights. And any politician in Alabama advocating a ban on guns would be out of office faster than anybody can spell out the word ban.

 

[PeterJens]

The problem with guns is 2 seconds from drawing to firing.

Every young or old nut can do this anytime a gun falls into their hands. The truth is you are happy, I mean that literally, happy to let this happen. You believe it is Gods will, a good thing to provide this freedom.

And the answer is arm the person or persons being attacked, so you can blast away the nut.

Why not give out guns free at every street corner and whisper, if you hate your neighbour, blow them away with this so they can never have a comeback. Because you cannot act, because you fear so much, your rights mean these guys with evil intent, a psychological nutcase attitude will continue to kill innocents at random.

So the statistics are

33,000 gun murders
21,000 gun suicides
33,000 car related deaths

Now in the UK

41 gun related murders 5x up 200 death
2,000 deaths from car 10,000 deaths

Now I am sure the UK does not have any more sanity that the US, but as far as car deaths it is a 1/3 and gun murders 170 times greater in the US to the UK.

Also guns are as likely to kill you as a car accident, and the massive easy access to a gun, makes suicide very easy.
So to say this is not a problem is putting blinkers on, and hiding in a bunker.

 

[kaylagrl]

No one offering up prayers for this misguided killer? I pray that he finds the Lord and no harm come to him in prison.

I pray he finds the Lord before he's executed for his crimes.As a pastor friend always said, "Yes someone in prison can find the Lord,they're just going to get to see him sooner than the rest of us."

 

[kaylagrl]

I dunno..... Several posters here, just yesterday, tried to ridicule me into submission when I dared say things like this ARE NOT God's will..... so, I assume (at least for them) all of this was planned by God, and praying would be moot.

(Not my belief, but theirs, as they seemed to express it.)

No this is not Gods will,any more than the Holocaust was his will.Just because God allows something to happen doesnt make it his will. What thread was that in? Wow some people twist things.

 

[kaylagrl]

This young man is certainly the tenth victim of the shooting. His life is over and he certainly caused great hurt and woe to a sizeable group of people.

Scripture teaches that Gods saints are counted as sheep for the slaughter all the day long and that the death of His saints is precious in His sight. The death of the wicked is not so.

Society has long been working hard at removing Christian morals and ethics from our children. Welcome the fruits of that hundred year long effort. Thank the video game makers and the politicians for their prime example of amoral behavior. Telling God we do not need His influence is yielding just the fruit one should expect.

There is no comfort for those who suffered loss in this tragedy but as we mourn let us not forget to beg God for forgiveness for our failure to teach the world what Gods word declares. Be not deceived God is not mocked whatsoever a man soweth of that shall he reap.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I agree with all you said except the young man being a victim.He made a choice he must face the consequences.He is no victim and should not be classed with those who were the actual victims.

 

[notuptome]

The problem with guns is 2 seconds from drawing to firing.

Every young or old nut can do this anytime a gun falls into their hands. The truth is you are happy, I mean that literally, happy to let this happen. You believe it is Gods will, a good thing to provide this freedom.

And the answer is arm the person or persons being attacked, so you can blast away the nut.

Why not give out guns free at every street corner and whisper, if you hate your neighbour, blow them away with this so they can never have a comeback. Because you cannot act, because you fear so much, your rights mean these guys with evil intent, a psychological nutcase attitude will continue to kill innocents at random.

So the statistics are

33,000 gun murders
21,000 gun suicides
33,000 car related deaths

Now in the UK

41 gun related murders 5x up 200 death
2,000 deaths from car 10,000 deaths

Now I am sure the UK does not have any more sanity that the US, but as far as car deaths it is a 1/3 and gun murders 170 times greater in the US to the UK.

Also guns are as likely to kill you as a car accident, and the massive easy access to a gun, makes suicide very easy.
So to say this is not a problem is putting blinkers on, and hiding in a bunker.

The problem with statistics is that they can be calculated to support any given position. The gun murder stats never sort out the legal police shootings of criminals by our police officers.

The is of course a practical impossibility of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals who are most likely to use them for evil purposes. Take the guns from the law abiding citizens and only the criminals will have guns.

The UK does not have citizens but subjects of the crown.

You cannot legislate righteousness. Do not penalize the good for the sake of the wicked.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kaylagrl]

UNTIL THE UNITED STATES WAKES UP AND REALIZES ANYTHING BUT ALLOWING SOMEONE TO PROTECT THEIR HOME WITH A SHOTGUN, AND OUTLAWING EVERY OTHER KIND OF HANDGUN ECT ON THE MARKET... OUR PRESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE MORE "TRAGEDY" SPEECHES THAN STATE OF THE UNION ADRESSES!!!! THIS IS REDICULOUS. OUR "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" WAS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. AS WAS, IF I BELIEVE... THE DESIRE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY DO WE AS AMERICANS "NEED" TO CARRY HANDGUNS?!? WHY? YOU CANNOT GIVE ME ONE REASON WHY. SHOTGUN IN THE HOME- OKAY. EVERYTHING ELSE... ILLEGAL. WAKE UP GOP AND STOP LETTING THE NRA LOBBYISTS ENJOY THESE TRAGEDIES.

Had someone in that crowd had a gun the outcome may have been different.You can take every handgun out of the hands of gun owners and all you do is make them vulnerable to these nutcases.What if someone had a concealed weapon during that theater shooting? Taking away the guns from the innocent solves nothing.Not to mention if anyone thinks this maniac would use a knife,a bomb an ax for pity sake to accomplish his evil plan they are sorely mistaken.Evil will find a way and a gun is only one tool that can be used in committing a crime. Secondly,ask the Jews how gun control works.Hitler used gun control to corral and kill 6 million innocent souls. Evil finds a way.