Pride goes before destruction

[Sirk]

I love you by the power of Jesus Christ.
May His love shine upon you.

Thanks for the sentiment but it changes nothing and it's a deflection from your pride.

 

[Jason0047]

I hate to interrupt, but what makes you right and me wrong? You have yet to answer my question on eternal being forever. What makes you the know all on what sin is bad enough to lose salvation?

The Bible.

As I said before, eternal life is not a super power or some kind of wish that is granted to you by some genie. Eternal life is a property that is exclusive to the Son of God. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). This lets us know that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and still be saved (Which goes against the popular belief held by many OSAS proponents).

Actually, here is a complete list of passages (I found) that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.

#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.

#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).

#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).

#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.

#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.

 

[blue_ladybug]

There is a difference between attacking people personally and insulting them and reproving people generally for a wrong belief. For there is a difference between pointing out sinful or bad behavior versus say someone mocking or insulting another person with hateful words.

You just did it again. Prideful man you are.

Hey, I insult Sirk with hateful words all the time..lol.. jk jk.. love ya, Sirk.. but he doesn't insult me back cuz he knows I'm just being playfully sarcastic.. to get revenge, he chases me with a fly swatter..lol

 

[Sirk]

Hey, I insult Sirk with hateful words all the time..lol.. jk jk.. love ya, Sirk.. but he doesn't insult me back cuz he knows I'm just being playfully sarcastic.. to get revenge, he chases me with a fly swatter..lol

You love to hate me! Lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

There is a difference between attacking people personally and insulting them and reproving people generally for a wrong belief. For there is a difference between pointing out sinful or bad behavior versus say someone mocking or insulting another person with hateful words.

You love to hate me! Lol

​yes indeedy, I do..lol..

 

[Jason0047]

Hey, I insult Sirk with hateful words all the time..lol.. jk jk.. love ya, Sirk.. but he doesn't insult me back cuz he knows I'm just being playfully sarcastic.. to get revenge, he chases me with a fly swatter..lol

I understand completely why you do not see it.

 

[Sirk]

​yes indeedy, I do..lol..

it's good to be lovably hated!

 

[Rosesrock]

The Bible.

As I said before, eternal life is not a super power or some kind of wish that is granted to you by some genie. Eternal life is a property that is exclusive to the Son of God. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). This lets us know that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and still be saved (Which goes against the popular belief held by many OSAS proponents).

Actually, here is a complete list of passages (I found) that tell us that you cannot be out of fellowship with God and be saved.

#1. 1 John 5:12 says He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life. Life is associated with eternal life or salvation.

#2. John 17:3 says eternal life is in knowing the one true God, Jesus Christ. Knowing implies a fellowship. So if you don't know Jesus, then you don't have life (Salvation).

#3. Romans 8:9 says if he a man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

#4. Psalm 73:27 says God will destroy all those who abandon Him (or go a whoring from Him).

#5. John 15:6 says if a man does not abide in Him, he is cast forth and burned.

#6. 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

#7. Romans 11:21-22 says if you do not continue in his goodness you will be cut off. For if God spared not the natural branches (i.e. the Jews), take heed that he can do the same to you (i.e. Gentile believers). The analogy here is that you are branch and Christ is the tree. We need to continue in Christ's righteousness or goodness, not our own righteousness or goodness, or we will be cut off because of unbelief.

You didnt answer my question......of salvation is eternal. OT law, NT grace. That's the foundation. If you dont believe in eternal security, you're twisting every verse of seperation into the loss of salvation when, yet it talks about relationship with Christ not the stripping of eternal life. You contiuously posting and turning these scriptures to point losing of salvation is wrong. You merely saying that me not seeing your belief is your pride. I believe different which makes me a sin, no better than you. And i have yet to understand what sins are bad enough to lose this eternal forever life that i was given.

 

[Sirk]

I understand completely why you do not see it.

He just did it again BLB!

but his insults are "holy".

 

[blue_ladybug]

I understand completely why you do not see it.

Oh I see it, Jason. I see it.. from alot of people, I see it.. the most contentious, hate-filled forum on this site is the BDF..

 

[Utah]

As for trusting: I only trust those who believe as I do . . .

That's what I just said, and thus your ability to learn will forever be limited, and at this stage of the game, flat out wrong on many things, most of which, God's saving grace in Jesus Christ.

 

[blue_ladybug]

He just did it again BLB!

but his insults are "holy".

It rolls off me like water off a duck's back, Sirk.. I'm above getting mad about being insulted.

 

[Jason0047]

You didnt answer my question......of salvation is eternal. OT law, NT grace. That's the foundation. If you dont believe in eternal security, you're twisting every verse of seperation into the loss of salvation when, yet it talks about relationship with Christ not the stripping of eternal life. You contiuously posting and turning these scriptures to point losing of salvation is wrong. You merely saying that me not seeing your belief is your pride. I believe different which makes me a sin, no better than you. And i have yet to understand what sins are bad enough to lose this eternal forever life that i was given.

There are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death (See 1 John 5:16-18). Sins that do not lead unto death would be hidden or secret faults (Psalm 19:12). This would be the type of sins like say going over the speed limit a little or not taking out the trash last week (like you were supposed to). For he to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin. For he to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin (James 4:17). Sins unto death would also be confessed sin, too. Sins that would lead unto death are those types of sins Paul lists several times in the New Testament that will cause a person not to inherit the KIngdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21) (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) (Ephesians 3:3-7). These are really bad unrepentant sins such as lying, hating, murdering, committing fornication, stealing, and drunkenness, etc. John says in Revelation 21:8 that these types of sins will lead unto the Second DEATH, which is the Lake of Fire. Paul says to the brethen, be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Then he lists certain sins that apply to that unrighteousness. One can only be deceived if you are a believer. An unbeliever is already deceived by the devil and sin because they do not have Jesus Christ.

As for the Bible teaching Eternal Security: Yeah, actually the Bible in many many verses refutes such a wrong belief.

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com

 

[Sirk]

It rolls off me like water off a duck's back, Sirk.. I'm above getting mad about being insulted.

I don't either.kasoms religious bullying doesn't faze me.... I've just never backed down from a game of "king of the hill. Lol

 

[Rosesrock]

There are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death (See 1 John 5:16-18). Sins that do not lead unto death would be hidden or secret faults (Psalm 19:12). This would be the type of sins like say going over the speed limit a little or not taking out the trash last week (like you were supposed to). For he to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin. For he to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin (James 4:17). Sins unto death would also be confessed sin, too. Sins that would lead unto death are those types of sins Paul lists several times in the New Testament that will cause a person not to inherit the KIngdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21) (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) (Ephesians 3:3-7). These are really bad unrepentant sins such as lying, hating, murdering, committing fornication, stealing, and drunkenness, etc. John says in Revelation 21:8 that these types of sins will lead unto the Second DEATH, which is the Lake of Fire. Paul says to the brethen, be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Then he lists certain sins that apply to that unrighteousness. One can only be deceived if you are a believer. An unbeliever is already deceived by the devil and sin because they do not have Jesus Christ.

As for the Bible teaching Eternal Security: Yeah, actually the Bible in many many verses refutes such a wrong belief.

Long List of Verses Refuting OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com

That's a brilliant cut and paste job but you can throw twisted scripture at me to prove a point.
You might consider praying and asking God to speak to your heart instead of reading sites
Eternal, everlasting=forever

 

[Jason0047]

It rolls off me like water off a duck's back, Sirk.. I'm above getting mad about being insulted.

My stating that you do not see something is not meant as an insult. Nor would I take it as insult if someone said that to me. Jesus even said to his disciples that they would not understand him until later.

Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."

 

[Jason0047]

That's a brilliant cut and paste job but you can throw twisted scripture at me to prove a point.
You might consider praying and asking God to speak to your heart instead of reading sites
Eternal, everlasting=forever

Rather than be intimitaded by the long list, it would not hurt for you to at least take 2-3 out of that list and try to explain them instead.

 

[Utah]

I lived on the east coast in a small town called Titusville, it's in between Daytona and Melbourne, and about an hour east of Orlando.
And I know what you mean about the summers, they are hot and humid! I sure don't miss that part, or hurricanes, but there's also a lot of other things to enjoy there as well. Peace

I have friends who are Titusville snowbirds. I visited them once and we watched dolphins swimming in the Indian River. Really beautiful. I'm happy for you that you live there.

 

[blue_ladybug]

My stating that you do not see something is not meant as an insult. Nor would I take it as insult if someone said that to me. Jesus even said to his disciples that they would not understand him until later.

Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."

As I told you, Jason, I DO see it. I see what God is doing here, I see what Satan is doing here, and I see what you and everyone else is doing (and saying) here.. I see it for what it is..

 

[psalm6819]

This teaching of Jesus blood being insufficient, of God portrayed as merciless and unforgiving, of the desertion of the Holy Spirit is an abomination. This is what drives people AWAY from God. Leaves them feeling that Jesus didn't pay for sin, that God is angry at them, that the Holy Spirit is wimpy and gives up on them.

God loves us, Jesus died for us, the Holy Spirit has sealed us, not our actions-His grace.