Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh and forgot to mention, as you can see, I'm being called a pagan again. Maybe, i should just start calling ya'll bible thumpers. Is that what this is degrading to?

I called a particular doctrine of your churches pagan, If that offends you, I am sorry, and if you would ever study it with an open mind, you would see the similarities as we have, and know where it comes from. (considering it is NOT IN GODS LOVE LETTER TO US.)

as for being called a bible thumper. that could be taken as a compliment, or an insult depending on how one like to hold up the bible. But it would not matter, you can call me anything you want, What God calls me (his child) is what matters. nothing else matters

 

[KenAllan]

What you fail to realize mwc68, is the teaching of Mary being born without sin is making Mary equal to Jesus Christ who was born without sin.

This is no little dogma or little Doctrine, this is a major Doctrine. Since the teaching Jesus Christ was born without sin is mentioned in the Bible sets up the standard that if Mary also was born without sin has to be in the Bible.

The Doctrine of Mary being born without sin is not in the Bible and therefore is a false Doctrine from the Roman Catholic Church.

When are you going to start walking in the Light with Jesus mwc68? Clearly by your responses to the posts shows no matter what the Truth is you will continue to reject the Scriptures and accept the lies from the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[KenAllan]

Being Baptized as a baby mwc68 means nothing. Being confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church means nothing mwc68. Being in good standing with the Roman Catholic Church means nothing mwc68.

Salvation is NOT received by being Baptized as a baby mwc68. Salvation is only received by Faith and Grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

This verse from the Holy Spirit says we receive Salvation by Faith and by Grace. Where in these verses does the Holy Spirit say Salvation is received by Baptism mwc68?

I am really starting to doubt that you have received Salvation mwc68 because i do not see the Fruits of the Spirit in you.

Galatians 5:22-25
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

I do not see you walking in the Spirit mwc68. How can you say your are walking in the Spirit if you reject the Truth from God and follow the lies from the Roman Catholic Church?

If you really are serious and want to enter into Heaven mwc68 you need to turn to God and walk with Him because He is the Light.

 

[KenAllan]

Teaching that Mary was without sin is not a little error mwc68, its a major sin, a Mortal sin to teach Mary was without sin because clearly God has told us in the Bible that ALL have sinned and this includes Mary also mwc68.

 

[KenAllan]

You are missing the main point of most of the posts mwc68. The main point is we True Christians do not look at any Church on this World for the Truth from God. We study the Bible, something you need to be doing mwc68, and we listen to the Holy Spirit. We do not accept blindly what any Church teaches without first seeing what God says in the Bible. The Catholics accept everything the Roman Catholic Church says and never studies the Bible to see what God says.

This is the point we are trying to get across to you. We are united into one Body which is God. We study the Word of God. We follow no man like the Pope. We have the Truth because the Truth Indwells in us.

Just because you hate the Truth from God does not mean we do not have the Truth Indwelling in us mwc68. Its the Holy Spirit we listen to, not Satan and not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[JesusLives]

Will the other Christian denominations be upset if there are Catholics in heaven? I for one won't be as God knows each individuals heart and if they have loved Him and followed Him with all their hearts and lived up to the light that God has shone on their paths.

People we are not the final judge and jury on anyone, anywhere. We may not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church but that does not mean that God does not have sheep that follow Him in the Catholic church or any other church for that matter.

We humans forget that God knows our hearts and motives and if we follow Him or not. Someone might look squeaky clean on the outside to us but are rotten to the core on the inside...God knows these things we humans don't.

Personally I am sick and tired of any denomination being bashed as the denomination deemed to go straight to hell....God's Holy Spirit is working on hearts of people all around the world in church or not. He is tugging at those hearts to Get Ready To Go Home. The final call is going out to Get Ready because Jesus Will Return Some Day and God wants all to be saved, but not all will answer the call.

I have known several wonderful Catholic people, gentle, humble who love God not the Pope as God..... God knows their heart and if they belong to Him or not the rest of us just need to be kind and loving to them and ready to share more truth as any are willing to hear it until then We are to love them and the Holy Spirit is the one that convicts and convinces people to make the changes.

Please stop condemning people......it is not our job.

 

[valiant]

Will the other Christian denominations be upset if there are Catholics in heaven? I for one won't be as God knows each individuals heart and if they have loved Him and followed Him with all their hearts and lived up to the light that God has shone on their paths.

People we are not the final judge and jury on anyone, anywhere. We may not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church but that does not mean that God does not have sheep that follow Him in the Catholic church or any other church for that matter.

We humans forget that God knows our hearts and motives and if we follow Him or not. Someone might look squeaky clean on the outside to us but are rotten to the core on the inside...God knows these things we humans don't.

Personally I am sick and tired of any denomination being bashed as the denomination deemed to go straight to hell....God's Holy Spirit is working on hearts of people all around the world in church or not. He is tugging at those hearts to Get Ready To Go Home. The final call is going out to Get Ready because Jesus Will Return Some Day and God wants all to be saved, but not all will answer the call.

I have known several wonderful Catholic people, gentle, humble who love God not the Pope as God..... God knows their heart and if they belong to Him or not the rest of us just need to be kind and loving to them and ready to share more truth as any are willing to hear it until then We are to love them and the Holy Spirit is the one that convicts and convinces people to make the changes.

Please stop condemning people......it is not our job.

But it IS our job to condemn false doctrines, and the RC church is riddled with them. It is also our job to ensure that visitors are faced with the truth about them.

 

[KenAllan]

There may be Catholic people who are gentle, humble who love God. But this is not the issue JesusLives.

The issue is the teachings, the Doctrines, of the Roman Catholic that lead people astray from God and from the Truth from God.

Most Catholics I know who are gentle, humble and who love God have not received Salvation! They have been deceived into thinking they have received Salvation when they were Baptized when they were a baby.

If we do not show them the Truth JesusLives then how will they ever enter into heaven? How can the Catholics receive Salvation if there is no one to show them the Truth?

Why are you defending the Roman Catholic Church for the lies they teach JesusLives?

So you feel we are condemning the Catholics by bringing them the Gospel of Salvation JesusLives?

Remove the beam from your eye first JesusLives before you complain about the speck in my eye.

 

[valiant]

I Love Jesus with all my heart and soul. How can you say i don't when i correct a tiny error in dogma on your side? Ya'll do this to me all day and I know for sure that the Catholic words "Immaculate Conseption" refer to Mary's birth without original sin! It is a teaching of the Church that you protestants ," taking a Catholic teaching" and saying it is something. different. Yes, we most certainly teach and know that Jesus is the one and only begotten Son of God!!!!!!! Have you ever read the Nicine Creed?? What about the Apostles Creed?

you believe Christianity is summed up in the Apostles Creed and the Nicene creed? OK Read me what it says about Mary. Thee were both creeds before the Roman Catholic church existed.

 

[Jackson123]

As far as my arguments, of course their weak! I'm not a teacher! I have said this repeatedly. I believe what I have been taught , but am having difficulty getting across why I believe it..You people are obviously master debators, but nothing I've seen here has changed my mind. How bout those Red Sox????

Don't they taught you to believe bible is inspire by holy spirit?

And bible taught you to test every doctrine if not inline with the bible it self you have to refuse?

That why believe in the teaching of catholic is oppose the bible.

 

[Jackson123]

To my knowledge, catholic teach that Vatican is the only institution who have the right to interpret the bible.

It is rebel against this verse.

Here we see that every christian must interpret the teaching.

every christian must test every doctrine.

Paul under the inspiration of holy spirit command to every believer to test every preaching/doctrine and refused if the preaching other then what we(apostle) preach.

What apostle preach now is in the bible.

again, Vatican rebel when he not let people other than Pope and his cabinet to interpret.

this letter/verse is for believer not for pope.

Galatians 1:8​

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

 

[mwc68]

To my knowledge, catholic teach that Vatican is the only institution who have the right to interpret the bible.

It is rebel against this verse.

Here we see that every christian must interpret the teaching.

every christian must test every doctrine.

Paul under the inspiration of holy spirit command to every believer to test every preaching/doctrine and refused if the preaching other then what we(apostle) preach.

What apostle preach now is in the bible.

again, Vatican rebel when he not let people other than Pope and his cabinet to interpret.

this letter/verse is for believer not for pope.

Galatians 1:8​

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

And you will get over 1,000 Different interpretations here on CC, so that doesn't work! Next?

 

[KenAllan]

2 Timothy 3:15-17
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

All Scriptures are from God not from the Roman Catholic Church.

1 Corinthians 2:12-13
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Its the Holy Spirit who teaches us what God says in the Scriptures. This is why we do not need to listen to the Roman Catholic Church.

1 Thessalonians 1:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

Its always the Holy Spirit who teaches our spirits the Truth in the Scriptures. Why would anyone who has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit ever want to listen to the lies of the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[KenAllan]

I have proven the Roman Catholic Church IS teaching lies and passing them off as Truths from God. So how is the Roman Catholic Church better when all it does is teach lies and shred the Scriptures from God?

 

[Jackson123]

7 billions travelers looking for a city.

The city name is heaven.

There are some map available. but it is only 2 category.

1. the map from the Lord, is call bible.

2 a map from Lucifer

1. Bible.

In this map, it say, there is only one street lead to heaven, the street name is Jesus( I am the only way to the father)

This street is narrow. (narrow is the gate to heaven)

2. a map from Lucifer.
Example of Catholic packet map. include CCC, Lumengentium etc.

In this map said (Lumen gentium II/16) muslim is in the plan of salvation.


(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,

It mean Quran is also a map.

Only people in the darkness not able to see that this teaching is oppose the bible/one way go to heaven.


Only one map lead you to heaven.

the rest of the map is lie and Lucifer in behind.

Lucifer create a lot of religions/map.

Lucifer did not love you.

Lucifer want you to go to hell.

Lucifer create Catholic to cheat you.

Catholic look like christian, look like offer the right map,

but is not.

 

[Jackson123]

And you will get over 1,000 Different interpretations here on CC, so that doesn't work! Next?

It doesn't Matter, even if a millions.

The true christian have Holy spirit able to decide which the right.

The Lord anticipate that will be a millions of interpretation. that is why Holy spirit warn and give this verse.

 

[mwc68]

I have proven the Roman Catholic Church IS teaching lies and passing them off as Truths from God. So how is the Roman Catholic Church better when all it does is teach lies and shred the Scriptures from God?

All you have proven is you hate me and all Catholics! I don't accept your interpretations because they are not reliable. Every one of you so-called Christians have your own interpretations. Until you explain that phenomenon, I won't accept your teaching of Holy Spirit as sole teacher

 

[valiant]

All you have proven is you hate me and all Catholics! I don't accept your interpretations because they are not reliable. Every one of you so-called Christians have your own interpretations. Until you explain that phenomenon, I won't accept your teaching of Holy Spirit as sole teacher

You are so imprisoned within the darkness of Roman Catholicism with its religious fetters that you are unable to understand the Gospel with its religious freedom.

If you do go through these threads you will discover that all who are true Christians, whatever their denomination or allegiance, believe in One God Who is triune, and one Lord Jesus Christ who is truly God and truly man. You will discover that all look to the cross for their salvation and to the resurrection for their new life in Him. They all abhor the Roman Catholic teaching on Mary and the pope. They are all one on these things. Thus your statement is a lie.

In lesser, less important things, God is educating each one of us up from where we are by turning us to His word. It speaks by the Spirit to each one of us in different ways. Just as a child makes mistakes so do we. But the Holy Spirit is bringing each one of us closer to God. Because of our preconditioning we come from different directions, but all are heading in the same direction in the freedom of the Spirit. Instead of being bogged down in dogma, we are free to express what God has revealed through our lives. It binds us together in the unity of faith, and the freedom of the child of God.

But the difference from you is that what we are responding to is from the heart, not according to a legal code or a bunch of tradition. Studying the word brings us closer and closer TO GOD. Besides that secondary differences are unimportant.

(And the idea that all you Roman Catholics believe the same thing is so much rubbish. You walk in blind ignorance of each other. You may use a similar catechism, but you interpret it in many different ways)

 

[Jackson123]

And you will get over 1,000 Different interpretations here on CC, so that doesn't work! Next?

Galatians 1:8​

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!


Is that mean catholic teach you to not agree with this verse?

Mean Catholic is anti bible.

Mean Catholic is anti word of God.

And Jesus is the word of God.

Mean Catholic is anti Jesus or anti Christ.

 

[mwc68]

You are so imprisoned within the darkness of Roman Catholicism with its religious fetters that you are unable to understand the Gospel with its religious freedom.

If you do go through these threads you will discover that all who are true Christians, whatever their denomination or allegiance, believe in One God Who is triune, and one Lord Jesus Christ who is truly God and truly man. You will discover that all look to the cross for their salvation and to the resurrection for their new life in Him. They all abhor the Roman Catholic teaching on Mary and the pope. They are all one on these things. Thus your statement is a lie.

In lesser, less important things, God is educating each one of us up from where we are by turning us to His word. It speaks by the Spirit to each one of us in different ways. Just as a child makes mistakes so do we. But the Holy Spirit is bringing each one of us closer to God. Because of our preconditioning we come from different directions, but all are heading in the same direction in the freedom of the Spirit. Instead of being bogged down in dogma, we are free to express what God has revealed through our lives. It binds us together in the unity of faith, and the freedom of the child of God.

But the difference from you is that what we are responding to is from the heart, not according to a legal code or a bunch of tradition. Studying the word brings us closer and closer TO GOD. Besides that secondary differences are unimportant.

(And the idea that all you Roman Catholics believe the same thing is so much rubbish. You walk in blind ignorance of each other. You may use a similar catechism, but you interpret it in many different ways)

No sir, we are all on the same page