andrew wommack

[FancyNancy]

do you have it?

Ask the phony videographer if he has it.

 

[ember]

I'm sorry you feel that way. If you feel your brother should be somewhere else then I would suggest praying on it and see what the Lord is telling you.

How do you feel?

Me? I don't 'feel' any way...this is not about my feelings

This is about unbiblical teaching...like Jesus would not have been born if prophets had not said He would be

Seriously? I need you to tell me to pray? Really?

Pardon my outrage...what is it the emotionally overcharged think people do anyway?

I prayed...BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER...

I began to pray because I became uneasy while my brother spoke, I continued to pray as I researched the dude Wommack and I prayed even more after I found out how off the wall some of his teachings are

I still pray and ask God to bring my brother out of deception

Thanks for the suggestion and really sorry about how sarcastic I know I am being...I am just flabbergasted at the lack of discernment and the destuction that ensues after the fact

 

[ember]

Those who pull the Christ-like card have carte blanche to say anything and call others anything they want. But if you do it, one who disagrees with them, you're not being Christ-like. Such stark hypocrisy, all sorts of venom coming out of people who accuse others of not being Christ-like. In other words, if it's you who call somebody a twit, you're not Christ-like. It's actually just a form of attacking the messenger, when they can't answer with truth, happens all the time when deceivers are called out.

Ok...got it. thanks...pretty much agree with what you said...no sides being taken, but if it quacks like a duck

 

[FancyNancy]

Your the one judging not me, Again, I just show what I see.

I judge according to God's word---which is to judge what serves the cause of evil and what serves the cause of good.

well look at this, and how many times have you been asked to produce that teaching now? And you wonder why people question your sincerity.

It has nothing to do with sincerity. You and your pals show a sincerity of your own kind. Sincerely wrong.

Those are mere words which means nothing until you can produce proof. if I am wrong I will admit it, but until you show proof. all you have is hear say, I would not listen to crossnotes hear say posts he linked, I did listen to Andrews words (cut up or not) and now you want me to listen to your hear say?

As if. There is no sense in what you say. You have already been influenced by a lying spirit---willingly! It will take a work of the Holy Spirit to rout that out of you.

Sorry, I never listen to hear say without listening to the person first.

Really? You are now speaking as one convinced by hearsay.

THATS NOT WHAT HE SAID!

Of course not! The clip was heavily edited so as not to reveal what he said in full!

Again your lack of humility does not do much for your case.

Methinks the lack of humility is in your comments. Humble people wait and weigh what is said against the word of God before they make a judgment, but in this case, there is no way to make an honest, godly assessment, because of the manipulation has been done, and you've allowed yourself to fall for it rather than to stand back and properly examine what you've been given. It cannot be done with many of these kinds of videos, that are done with an evil spirit behind them to defame the brethren, because the actual TV broadcast may not be available to compare it with.

A word of advice: don't pay attention to YouTube videos like this about ANYONE.

He did not say what your claiming, until you can prove with HIS OWN WORDS he said somethign differnet or corrected himself later. You have nothing to stand on

You need to claim what he said was what he meant, seeing as you believe the hack job that was offered here as authoritative proof of error.

I get it now. YouTube is authoritative to the gullible.

 

[ember]

Your brother is in a good place, ember. Listen to him and discover that for yourself. You are in a good place yourself, to be able to determine what is right.

actually...no...he is not. He knows better than to fall for WOF...his wife left him, so he dumped everything and ran after the
first thing that felt better than the pain he was in

Hugs Nancy and peace!!!

 

[FancyNancy]

lol. Now you have lost it. Me jealous? wow.

you are puffed up. and I see no character of God in nothing you have said these past posts.

news flash. I am not jealous at all. I have no need to be. so get over yourself

I call it as I see it. You are the one who made a snide personal comment about me.

 

[popeye]

The vid says satan never crucified jesus.
1cor 2;
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.Eph 2;2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


As if satan had nothing to do with it??...grasping at a non issue.


The vid says "jesus never went to hell"

The word says he descended. The word says he went to "paradise" that day.
The word says a place of torment (hell)was next to paradise

This is the opening salvo of the vid that knows not God's word.

Vid is boggus mocking and slander to backbite a fellow believer.

 

[FancyNancy]

I have? says who? I have seen no proof I have been manipulated by but anyone I see you TRYING TO MANIPULATE, but not buying your nonsense till you show proof Your lack of proof and continued arrogance speaks volumes.

The proof of the negative comments made about Andrew Wommack needs to be produced. That there is nothing coming from any of you naysayers is proof enough that this is all just malicious hype.

 

[ember]

LOL! "Cultists", you say? I am wiping the spit off my face right now.

My Master, Jesus, makes no errors.

yeah, see? This cultist stuff does no good for anyone

I am sitting here, seriously grieved in my spirit

Does ANYONE take the time to ask the Lord how to respond?

Folks...I am not depressed or down...but honestly, I might just get that way reading the posts

You should all go stand in the corner for about 5 and bite your tongue

You know, in the threads where some believe they never sin, the self righteousness stinks to high heaven

Some of them practically curse those who state that only the grace of God through His Son gives us any righteousness

Geez...I'm not better than anyone here, but I happen to like this forum...but IMO, there is just too much mud slinging allowed by the mods

Maybe they think we are self moderating? I wish..........

 

[FancyNancy]

actually...no...he is not. He knows better than to fall for WOF...his wife left him, so he dumped everything and ran after the
first thing that felt better than the pain he was in

Hugs Nancy and peace!!!

I pray that he relies on the peace the Lord gives. I am sure that he is quite alright in what he is doing. God will heal him and restore him.

Hugs to you, also, ember.

 

[popeye]

he teaches that God is not in control of all things
he teaches that God actually needs us in order to accomplish His will
he teaches that mans 'free will' overrides God's will
he teaches that, if you are sick and want healing, you don't pray to God for healing. You talk directly to your ailment and tell it to leave you

i would say that his teaching is offensive, blasphemous, and anything but okay

Wow,are you ever ignorant of the word.

he teaches that God actually needs us in order to accomplish His will

Heb 11;39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Rom 10;14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Any of us could post many more

he teaches that mans 'free will' overrides God's will

Free will taken out of the picture eliminates any love or requirement of any bbeliever or heathen for that matter.
You calvinist or something?

he teaches that, if you are sick and want healing, you don't pray to God for healing. You talk directly to your ailment and tell it to leave you

Uh,you saying jesus did it wrong?
you saying the apostles did it wrong?

i would say that his teaching is offensive, blasphemous, and anything but okay

I would say cessanionists lied to you. Dust off your bible and tell them to take a hike.

 

[popeye]

I pray that he relies on the peace the Lord gives. I am sure that he is quite alright in what he is doing. God will heal him and restore him.

Hugs to you, also, ember.

I never listen to andrew. But he is a man of God,flawed and all just like all of us.

FN, you have the word on your side. Cessationists can not go toe to toe with full gospel.

Make them go against the word,not you,not andrew.

 

[crossnote]

If you knew the word, you wouldn't resort to giving authority to YouTube butchers with a bias.

Demonize You Tube if you must, but I doubt You Tube made Wommack say what he said.
I'll be writing the individual who posted the video and see if he can direct me to the full sermon.
But you'll probably still say it is out of context.

 

[Gr8grace]

Demonize You Tube if you must, but I doubt You Tube made Wommack say what he said.
I'll be writing the individual who posted the video and see if he can direct me to the full sermon.
But you'll probably still say it is out of context.

Post 134. Is one area of contention I found on his(Wommack) site.

 

[crossnote]

You are WAY off in your assessment.

I said 'to me'. We are entitled to an opinion, no? But Wommackers don't judge...naww.

 

[crossnote]

I see. So, the butchered, manipulative YouTube video that was presented here in this thread as proof to discredit a man who serves God with his life is enough for you, but when countered it is me who has to do your searching for you? Uh..no. I am not going to make it easy for you. If you want to know the truth, and be spoon fed, it's not going to happen. You can sit there and let naysayers spoon feed you, but if you want to really get in touch with truth, and be blessed by God in it, then you need to motivate yourself and find it.

I have done my homework, by being like a Berean and checking out what is spoken against God's word. Andrew Wommack is a fine man of God and an excellent teacher of the word.

Sorry, but you are making the claim that the video is taken out of context...the burden of proof is on you dearie. Oterwise his words in the video stand.

 

[FancyNancy]

Demonize You Tube if you must, but I doubt You Tube made Wommack say what he said.
I'll be writing the individual who posted the video and see if he can direct me to the full sermon.
But you'll probably still say it is out of context.

LOL! Does YouTube rate as something in the realm of godly to you???

The one who pasted together little snips of Andrew saying one or two sentences in each clip is the one with the demonic agenda to bring a man of God into disrepute. HE has crafted the speech to hint at error because he has taken full context away. Even a moron can figure that out easily enough! It's evil. It's easy for weak believers to believe. The devil knows it and so he doesn't have to try very hard, does he?

I am glad you are doing something constructive to find the full broadcast. Kudos to YOU! Then, we might just have the semblance of decent discussion around here!

 

[FancyNancy]

I said 'to me'. We are entitled to an opinion, no? But Wommackers don't judge...naww.

What is a Wommacker? We as Spirit-filled beleivers need to judge with righteous judgment. What I am seeing here is nothing but carnal judgment...judgement without wisdom or knowledge.

It reeks.

 

[FancyNancy]

Sorry, but you are making the claim that the video is taken out of context...the burden of proof is on you dearie. Oterwise his words in the video stand.

It is out of context. You can believe little edited and spliced clips if you want, but that just says more about you than about Mr. Wommack.

I don't have the burden of proof. You do, seeing as this thread is a defamation thread. Little bits and bytes do not a case make.

 

[MoladhDia]

and again, you refuse to chasten your own people but judge others. this is hypicrocy. If your going to judge one, you better start judging the others, or your judgment is invalid.

It Gives God a bad name when we yell at people who do not agree with us for something, yet when our own people do the same thing (or worse) we do not say a word to them.

I'm sorry I was working all day as you can see I haven't posted in awhile today. And like I said before I don't have "My own people." I thought Christians were my own people but I guess maybe I was mistaken.