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The Word Became Flesh
By Andrew Wommack
When God speaks, His words are binding—they’re like an unbreakable contract. He always says exactly what He means, He never lies, and He never says, “Whoops, I’ve changed My mind.”
Hebrews 1:3 says, “Upholding all things by the word of his power,” and Psalm 89:34 says, “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.”
This entire universe is being held together by the power of God’s words. It was His word that created the earth and every living thing on it, and by His words, He created Adam and Eve. He didn’t make them or any part of this world with His hands; He spoke it all into existence. Then, after creating all of this, He said,
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Gen. 1:28)
He gave absolute dominion to Adam and Eve. When He said “I give you authority and dominion,” He took His power—His right to rule and control the earth—and gave it to physical human beings. In a sense, He excluded Himself from ruling over the earth.
I know that’s a new wrinkle in some of your brains, but it’s true, and it answers many questions concerning the sovereignty of God. In the series I’m airing on the Gospel Truth this month, entitled The Word Became Flesh, I will teach more about God’s sovereignty and what that means to you.
In Psalm 15:4, the Bible says that a godly man will swear to his own hurt and change not. The word godly means like God. God will swear to His own hurt and change not. So, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, He did not violate His word to save man from the terrible problems that would come from their decisions. Human beings were given this earth to do with as they saw fit. However, this did not catch God by surprise; He knew it was going to happen and already had a plan in place to reconcile man back unto Himself.
For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (Rom. 5:17-19)
In Revelation 13:8, it says, “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (underline mine).
These scriptures answer two very important questions: One, why did Jesus have to come to earth, and two, if it was necessary for Him to come, why did God wait 4,000 years to get Him here?
It was a man—a physical human being—who had been given authority on the earth by God. When man allowed himself to be deceived and when he yielded his power to Satan, he became, in a sense, joint-heirs with the devil. Satan has to work through a human being. Man, through his physical body, gave Satan authority on this earth.
Therefore, it was necessary for a man with a physical body to take back that authority.God had to become man, to give Him the authority to execute judgment on the earth: “And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man” (John 5:27).God cannot break or change His word, so He was restricted to act within the word He had already spoken.
But why did it take 4,000 years? Here is the logic: When God created the first man, He said, “Let us make man in our image” (Gen. 1:26). He literally spoke Adam’s body into existence. At that time, He had the legal right to do that because He had not yet given authority over this earth to man.
However, once He had given that authority to man, He could not leave him out of the equation. The last Adam, Jesus, would still have to be spoken into existence by God, but He would have to speak through man. God was no longer in direct control, and a man would have to become the voice of His words. Psalm 115:16 explains—
The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
That is a strong statement. In other words, everything outside of the earth belongs to God, but the earth He gave to the children of man. God literally placed restrictions on Himself through His own words. He had to work through people, and there were very few people sensitive enough to hear Him in their hearts and then prophesy what they heard.
God had to create the new Adam through words spoken by someone with a physical body. Galatians 4:4 says, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son.” If you study that out, it means at the appropriate moment. Until then, all the prophetic utterances hadn’t been spoken. Jesus could not come onto the scene until everything that had to be said was said.
For example, it had to be prophesied that Jesus would be born of a virgin. That was critical because Jesus would not be just a good man—Jesus was God manifest in the flesh. Through Mary, Jesus received a physical body, but it was the blood of God the Father flowing through Him. He was a God-man.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:34-35)
Here is what I believed happened. Mary asked, “How’s this going to happen?” She wasn’t questioning the possibility; it was just the how. And the angel said that the word of God is the incorruptible seed:“All of the words spoken over 4,000 years, through hundreds of people, are going to conceive in you.” First Peter 1:23 says, “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
The Greek word for “seed” in this scripture is spora. It comes from the same root word as sperma, which is talking about the seed of a man. The virgin birth of Jesus was completely natural in every respect except one: It was not the seed of a man. The seed was the word of God. The Word became flesh! All that had been prophesied about Jesus became the spora, or the seed.
Whether it’s literal or symbolic, I believe that each of us have a spiritual womb. We take the supernatural words of God—the seed of the miracles we need—and we meditate on them until they conceive, until we can see the result in our hearts. Then, when we can see it, we can speak it into existence. This is what Jesus was talking about in Mark 11:23:
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
God’s Word is living and alive. His Word is health unto all of your flesh and life to them that find it. He sent His Word to heal and deliver from destruction and more. And for those who will place His words in their hearts and allow those seeds to conceive, they will in time see the manifestation of what they believe and speak.
In bolded red are all the unscriptural errors I see in this writing/message by Wommack. Perhaps this is also taken out of context?
That is an unfair accusation and untrue.
I don't have to agree with but can still recognize Crossnote is a man of intelligence and he loves the Lord.
Despite what the apologists for these cult deceivers do to try and rehabilitate them, by belaboring and trying to make the entire issue a mere dispute over some single statement: this is a smokescreen.
ok, I'm willing to drop all the personal tit for tats, name calling etc., even towards Mr Wommack, and rather deal with the teachings of this particular individual.What's unfair is what people are saying to slander a teacher of the word. Not every teacher says things in a way that EVERYONE can comprehend. That is not what makes a false teacher. People are just to eager to label people and dismiss them like so much garbage. It's a shark feeding frenzy around here.
I've never said that crossnote was unintelligent nor someone who doesn't love the Lord. However, I have been told that I am a cultist, which couldn't be FURTHER from the truth.
Alarmist propaganda? That is real footage taken directly from a movement that Oral Roberts endorsed and participated in.
As I expected you had no valid answer, just a dismissive attitude and a rude tone. You prove time and time again you cannot back up anything with facts, only gripe and complain about others while extolling yourself as righteous.
I knew within the first day of your joining this site what kind of user you would be me you have prove. My right time and time again. Your hypocrisy and inability to defend anything you stand for show me that people here are throwing pearls before swine by trying to discuss anything with you. Am I officially walking away from this as you have not proven yourself to have one valid justification on what you believe and defend. You merely have attacks and criticism while accusing others of the same thing.
I have provided evidence and you have responded with, essentially, "pfft yeah right. You're clueless". But not a coherent and biblical defense. Carry on in your pride and ignorance, but I, for one, will be saving my time and pearls for those who are capable of genuine communication.
That's ok, the video posted was from 2009, so we can all pretend we are in a Time MachineAmazing this thread was started in Oct. 2013, and someone brought it back up and it just keeps going. The OP is long, long gone.
In bolded red are all the unscriptural errors I see in this writing/message by Wommack. Perhaps this is also taken out of context?
yes there are 'sociological' cults as described above and not only cults having bizarro teachings. Like I said, I am not that familiar with their activities as a group, but some of Wommacks teachings are at the least heretical and at the most cultish IMHO.Cults 101: Checklist of Cult Characteristics
checklist of a cult: andrew wommack
The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marryor leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
The group is preoccupied with making money.
Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
There are quite a few teachings that are eye-openers.Fancy, one area of contention is "Speaking Jesus into existence."
I am not a fan of Wommack, but I searched his site and found the teaching that put that little quote of Wommacks in context. I can see what he meant by that quote now.
Why not present things like this to try to argue your point? I found that teaching pretty quick on his site.
Post 134.

do you have the verse for that one? I couldn't find it in my concordance.......If the shoe fits...
And you know I didn't because....uh...you discern it? FYI, there is no discernment without starting with the Bible, so, guess againIf only you'd have researched the word of God.
Really. Well, you know, tell that to Paul. He was one of the most religious folk ever and look how Jesus loved him.Jesus wasn't nice. He despised puffed up pride among religious folk.
Sarcastic much? I'm not a cessationist...but I can tell you that one of the reaons many folk are is the superior attitude you are displaying. It's not godly and it certainly helps no one...who wants to listen to someone who slaps people's mouths and then states they have the gift of discernment?Your judgment is duly noted.
I was speaking about the opposing sides here...not you personally. Wommacks teachings are not a salvation issueI am, and I pray that you are.
Correct, so why all the disdain and malice at this site against sisters and brothers in Christ? We are to be accepting of those who have yet to plug in to many truths that come with spiritual growth. If you (in general) can't agree on the simple truths of the word, how are any of you to be able to accept the meat?
I stated that some of what he teaches is off...but what is off, is really off. If you see that as a heretic, the that must be your own personal filter.I have heard only one thing in a few years that he has said that I disagree with, but that doesn't make him a false teacher or a heretic. It makes him a man who loves God and may be wrong in a certain area. I take in the spiritual food that is in accordance with God's word, and I spit out any bones. That should be everyone's attitude.
Actually, I have very strong discernment, as well as the gift of discerning of spirits.
What is a Wommacker? We as Spirit-filled beleivers need to judge with righteous judgment. What I am seeing here is nothing but carnal judgment...judgement without wisdom or knowledge.
It reeks.
I'm sorry if you got angry at my recommendation. I wasn't trying to order you around. I think we all should pray for discernment.
There are quite a few teachings that are eye-openers.
Give it a listen and you will see that he is always giving scripture and location of that scripture and that way you can see what he means because
sometimes when we are typing and behind the computer you can't see our face and etc...
It sounded bad when I heard some of things he said on the video but when you listen to the whole thing I believe you will understand.
I'm glad that GOD looks at the heart.
See post #41
This is what Wommack is talking about.
He isn't saying Jesus hasn't always been with God. He is talking about the birth of the human Jesus. The Word of God has always been there and Jesus is the living Word.
Post #41
The fuller quote..."God spoke Jesus into existence through a dozen possibly hundreds of people over a 4000 year period"