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The OP is legalism much! Haven't you got better things to do that misinterpret a cultural instruction to the Corinthian women?
By the way, I wear my hair long by choice. Because I have since my teens, although my hair dressers tell me a woman my age needs short hair. For me, it is much easier letting my naturally curly hair just do its thing, than having to blow dry, curl it etc, which many shorter hair cuts require.
BUT, I do not judge any woman for any hair cut she chooses. That is between her and God, and I guess, if she has one, her husband.
By the way, I wear my hair long by choice. Because I have since my teens, although my hair dressers tell me a woman my age needs short hair. For me, it is much easier letting my naturally curly hair just do its thing, than having to blow dry, curl it etc, which many shorter hair cuts require.
BUT, I do not judge any woman for any hair cut she chooses. That is between her and God, and I guess, if she has one, her husband.
oddly enough, i was up at 3am this morning too, and felt like reading.
it's not out of the ordinary for me to get up at this time - i left for work before 4am.
in a van on the way to the job site, i read 1 Corinthians too. i got all the way to chapter 11 and was struck by this same topic.
long way of saying hey Phil, same Spirit we got there. and thanks for making this thread
so i got down to "we have no such custom" and thought,
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
It looks like in vss 8 and 9 Adam is shown as the (supposed) protector of Eve. The angels may have an allusion to the fallen angels in which the woman is to have some kind of protection from. (Crossnote quickly seeks some kind of protection from the oncoming stones )
...you know, like a husband or pastor etc.
)...you know, like a husband or pastor etc.
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so i got down to "we have no such custom" and thought,
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
Interestingly enough, I met a young woman years ago who had "dreadlocks" in her hair. The reason I put that in quotes is because she was a white girl with red hair (and for those of you that don't know this, the hair of most white folks doesn't lend itself well to dreads). Anyway, I asked her about her hairstyle and how long she'd been growing her dreads.
She told me:
"I've been fasting from brushing my hair for three years."
Which I thought was a very interesting approach to it.
I'm just happy she wasn't fasting from brushing her teeth. Although, I hear that "oil-pulling" is all the rage with the tree-hugging, neo-hippy, all-natural contingent now.
She told me:
"I've been fasting from brushing my hair for three years."
Which I thought was a very interesting approach to it.
I'm just happy she wasn't fasting from brushing her teeth. Although, I hear that "oil-pulling" is all the rage with the tree-hugging, neo-hippy, all-natural contingent now.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with women have short hair instead of long, and the reverse can also be said for men as it is not wrong for a man to have long hair instead of short.
Apostle Paul clearly shows in 1 Corinthians 11:16 to not debate this issue because there is no such custom in the church or the faith that has to be kept and followed.
Apostle Paul then goes on in verses 17-20 to show that those who want to make this a command that has to be kept are only there to cause divisions in the church. He then says in the following verses do not take and eat of the Lord's supper because you are shaming others by trying to put this on them.
Apostle Paul clearly shows in 1 Corinthians 11:16 to not debate this issue because there is no such custom in the church or the faith that has to be kept and followed.
Apostle Paul then goes on in verses 17-20 to show that those who want to make this a command that has to be kept are only there to cause divisions in the church. He then says in the following verses do not take and eat of the Lord's supper because you are shaming others by trying to put this on them.
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And, again, I'm lost. Since it says in verse 7 that woman are the glory of men, I really don't think hair-glory is talking about cutting off hair for the same reason I'd rather think woman-glory doesn't mean cutting us off in the same way for men.
And since verse 16 s scolding about being contentious the whole hair thing just seems to mean "don't make a big do about the doo for church." I think it's more like don't be like the peacock and display inappropriately.
And since verse 16 s scolding about being contentious the whole hair thing just seems to mean "don't make a big do about the doo for church." I think it's more like don't be like the peacock and display inappropriately.
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Sure. It's like peacocks displaying their feathers. It works for the peahens. They like it. It's like all the strange dances some birds do to impress the ladies. The only difference is, with us, it's the women that make a statement with our hair. I don't think it matters if it's short or long. It matters what our husbands like it to be. We're doing it because they like it, and we'll do what they like because we like them.
In my case, hubby doesn't like me with longer hair, so, not a problem. I think we got the guys we wanted way back because of the preening choices we made, so it's not such a big issue with us because we know that. We really never had to change what we like because it worked for the type of guys we were interested in. And, honestly, it's just one small part of us. They like the hair, but if you asked a guy to list what they like about their wives, I would think hair would be down the list a bit. lol
In my case, hubby doesn't like me with longer hair, so, not a problem. I think we got the guys we wanted way back because of the preening choices we made, so it's not such a big issue with us because we know that. We really never had to change what we like because it worked for the type of guys we were interested in. And, honestly, it's just one small part of us. They like the hair, but if you asked a guy to list what they like about their wives, I would think hair would be down the list a bit. lol
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so i got down to "we have no such custom" and thought,
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
"boy howdy, am i some kind of a Gentile!" -- because yeah, common sense to me is not that people's hair length is an honor or shame. i concluded that i've just not got understanding. because of this, i'm inclined to agree with the cultural-relevance interpretation of this passage, but i'm not about to make any sort of hard stand on it.
i was raised by hippies in an age of punk rock, in a cultural melting pot of a nation -- i'm certainly no expert on what proper hair length is!
also interesting ((to me)) this should pop up now, since my wife shaved all my hair off yesterday. not that it's really relevant to discussion, but it feels good to know at least my current haircut is beyond scriptural reproof!
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It looks like in vss 8 and 9 Adam is shown as the (supposed) protector of Eve. The angels may have an allusion to the fallen angels in which the woman is to have some kind of protection from. (Crossnote quickly seeks some kind of protection from the oncoming stones )
...you know, like a husband or pastor etc.
)...you know, like a husband or pastor etc.
I was forced to leave the gym early the other day because someone who was working out takes part in boycotting toilet paper . . . and showers . . . and deodorant . . . and . . .
And if I said something it would be deemed hate speech because it was a cultural thing.
And if I said something it would be deemed hate speech because it was a cultural thing.
That rock n roll singer woman who either dated or was married to that Armstrong bicycle guy. She came out one time and publically announced that no person should ever use more than 2 sheets of toilet paper............all I'm thinking is, "wow, I would NOT want to shake hands with her.........."