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There is no median point, there is only working at the question why?
When you break down the problem you often come down to a feeling of guilt, or a sense of obligation that has failed, or a relationship that has not developed well, and involves hurt on both sides. It is not so much as sin, but how are things progressed.
Sin in a blatent obvious sense, I am aware of it, I must repent or I am not in fellowship with the Lord.
For most of us, it is know a sense of failure, but not quite knowing what for us would be success. That is why though I do not know of sin in an obvious way, I am aware of failure and things I need to work at. I hope that makes sense.
When you break down the problem you often come down to a feeling of guilt, or a sense of obligation that has failed, or a relationship that has not developed well, and involves hurt on both sides. It is not so much as sin, but how are things progressed.
Sin in a blatent obvious sense, I am aware of it, I must repent or I am not in fellowship with the Lord.
For most of us, it is know a sense of failure, but not quite knowing what for us would be success. That is why though I do not know of sin in an obvious way, I am aware of failure and things I need to work at. I hope that makes sense.
The meaning of the word 'Lord' is owner. When we acknowledge that by paying our sin debt Jesus has purchased us; our rebellion is ended. The indwelling Holy Spirit causes us to will and to do what is pleasing to God.
At the time of Salvation, our sin nature is not removed; but our new nature (God's nature in us) is at war with our old nature. Occasionally we will act in our own strength instead of relying on the Spirit's empowerment. At such times we fall short of our desire to serve Jesus; and stumble into sin. While it is true that such sin is already forgiven; we, who love the Lord, do not want to rub His nose in the sin He suffered and died to save us from.
At the time of Salvation, our sin nature is not removed; but our new nature (God's nature in us) is at war with our old nature. Occasionally we will act in our own strength instead of relying on the Spirit's empowerment. At such times we fall short of our desire to serve Jesus; and stumble into sin. While it is true that such sin is already forgiven; we, who love the Lord, do not want to rub His nose in the sin He suffered and died to save us from.
Whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, which is based on your words and actions.
1 John 3:5-11[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1 John 3:5-11[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
As pointed out already, your holiness (being set apart) is a position you are put in when you begin a relationship with Christ. Nothing can touch that because His blood purchased this holiness for you. It is a spiritual holiness that means that you are accepted by God based on you being in Christ.
Yet, we still have our sin nature that only wants to satisfy self. The more we keep our eyes on Jesus and stay in His word which brings us truth and light, the less we desire to live for self and the more we will desire to put His purposes first.
The Holy Spirit Who is indwelling your spirit is also working to conform you into the image of Christ - using His Word, circumstances, and inspiring and teaching you.
There is no happy median - there are only levels of spiritual maturity the more you grow in your relationship with Him.
Yet, we still have our sin nature that only wants to satisfy self. The more we keep our eyes on Jesus and stay in His word which brings us truth and light, the less we desire to live for self and the more we will desire to put His purposes first.
The Holy Spirit Who is indwelling your spirit is also working to conform you into the image of Christ - using His Word, circumstances, and inspiring and teaching you.
There is no happy median - there are only levels of spiritual maturity the more you grow in your relationship with Him.
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Let me get a little real. I am a christian who has a habitual sin of being a bank robber.
I have repented of it but I occasionally walk down the street and get this overwhelming urge to rob a bank, which I do, then repent and go on my way.
Now this could be violence, greed, sex, lying, lazyness etc. Now if I compartmentalise, christian on sunday, man of the world monday to friday, family man saturday, what am I?
Now some say I am righteous though completely disfunctional and clearly have no intention to change.
So I start to work on my impulses. Opps, that is earning my salvation, I wait until God heals me of my impulses so it is not of the flesh. No ofcourse I repent and stop this life of sin, and walk in righteousness. As I grow in the Lord my walk gets better, showing love and grace, and hopefully my sin issues reduce, but like any addict I am always vulnerable, so never really free of the risk of failure.
So I see no compromise only a commitment to walk the walk. Are some saying they are happy with total compromise, because everything is actually grace and you can do what you like?
I have repented of it but I occasionally walk down the street and get this overwhelming urge to rob a bank, which I do, then repent and go on my way.
Now this could be violence, greed, sex, lying, lazyness etc. Now if I compartmentalise, christian on sunday, man of the world monday to friday, family man saturday, what am I?
Now some say I am righteous though completely disfunctional and clearly have no intention to change.
So I start to work on my impulses. Opps, that is earning my salvation, I wait until God heals me of my impulses so it is not of the flesh. No ofcourse I repent and stop this life of sin, and walk in righteousness. As I grow in the Lord my walk gets better, showing love and grace, and hopefully my sin issues reduce, but like any addict I am always vulnerable, so never really free of the risk of failure.
So I see no compromise only a commitment to walk the walk. Are some saying they are happy with total compromise, because everything is actually grace and you can do what you like?
PeterJens, I understand most of what you said except that God does not always heal our impulses. He did not heal me of my impulse to smoke even though I prayed. What He did was encourage me that I could (with His power in me) OVERCOME and deny that impulse.
Yes - it was a painful act on my part to just so NO loud and clear to those cigarettes - and it went against every fleshly impulse I had. It hurt, but I also found out that the suffering only lasted for a month or so. After that, my impulse was healed.
We are to become overcomers. And we have the power to do so.
Yes - it was a painful act on my part to just so NO loud and clear to those cigarettes - and it went against every fleshly impulse I had. It hurt, but I also found out that the suffering only lasted for a month or so. After that, my impulse was healed.
We are to become overcomers. And we have the power to do so.
I was being a little sarcastic. Personally I would not call cigarettes as a sin, but a habit that damages the body, so needs working on. I just wondered when people talked about compromise what in real terms they mean.
There have been massive arguments with some saying we should walk perfectly and others saying we cannot so let us just say we are defeated. The arguments tend to go in circles because people are not talking about their struggles.
So I was interested in seeing if we could actually talk about these issues.
There have been massive arguments with some saying we should walk perfectly and others saying we cannot so let us just say we are defeated. The arguments tend to go in circles because people are not talking about their struggles.
So I was interested in seeing if we could actually talk about these issues.
Be careful, a lot of carnal Christians preach a disobedient faith which is what it is, being unfaithful and playing the Harlot. They preach abiding in sin, and sin is normal for a born again Christian, this is false doctrine they preach, which makes them feel better about their own sinful ways. Listen to the words of God, and not the doctrines of carnally minded men.
"indwelling sin nature" is always a nice catch all, but it only describes we easily sin and are not often aware of why or how.
We are justified, but there is a big difference between things we can do little about and need to grow through and things that abide with us, and we just give in to them.
I had a friend who grew up hating one christian group. He was a christian, but this hatred was so deep, even the hint of this group being present would create a response. Over time and his walk deepening in the Lord, he found the hatred went away, and he could see people for who they are. Now you may call this works, but I just call it building a new creation, the old passing away.
If one accepts where you are is where you stay, that is a problem or what you are with your faults is temporarily ok but it does need work. Now this work cannot be anything else than the Lord in your heart through obedience to His commands, but you literally change as a result of obedience, like fruit, rather than like working for you salvation.
The problem I have is all the descriptions seem to talk about a static framework when we are in a living breathing relationship with the Lord that grows. I therefore shy away from clear cut theological type descriptions, because what matters is how we are doing in terms of love, life, joy, patience etc. It is like saying a child follows a set of rules to grow up, rather than they grow anyway, you just have to point them in the right direction.
We are justified, but there is a big difference between things we can do little about and need to grow through and things that abide with us, and we just give in to them.
I had a friend who grew up hating one christian group. He was a christian, but this hatred was so deep, even the hint of this group being present would create a response. Over time and his walk deepening in the Lord, he found the hatred went away, and he could see people for who they are. Now you may call this works, but I just call it building a new creation, the old passing away.
If one accepts where you are is where you stay, that is a problem or what you are with your faults is temporarily ok but it does need work. Now this work cannot be anything else than the Lord in your heart through obedience to His commands, but you literally change as a result of obedience, like fruit, rather than like working for you salvation.
The problem I have is all the descriptions seem to talk about a static framework when we are in a living breathing relationship with the Lord that grows. I therefore shy away from clear cut theological type descriptions, because what matters is how we are doing in terms of love, life, joy, patience etc. It is like saying a child follows a set of rules to grow up, rather than they grow anyway, you just have to point them in the right direction.
