Why do some "Christians" acts deliberately nasty? Are they saved?

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BabyTeddy79

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I have seen that some "Christians"hurt others, especially on social- networking sites. Why do they do that? If they had love of GOD in them will they mistreat the other parts of Christ? I mean lies, slander, abuse, anger, quarrel, etc makes me think that they are of satan. Some of them act worse than the unsaved.

What does the Bible say about this? I am not talking about works here but about the fruits.:rolleyes:
 
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Sirk

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I think some of it we read into it, tone and body language. I think it best practice when you read a post, to think of it with a kind tone to it.
 

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I have seen that some "Christians"hurt others, especially on social- networking sites. Why do they do that? If they had love of GOD in them will they mistreat the other parts of Christ? I mean lies, slander, abuse, anger, quarrel, etc makes me think that they are of satan. Some of them act worse than the unsaved.

What does the Bible say about this? I am not talking about works here but about the fruits.:rolleyes:
no comment, i live in a glass house :p
 
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I have seen that some "Christians"hurt others, especially on social- networking sites. Why do they do that? If they had love of GOD in them will they mistreat the other parts of Christ? I mean lies, slander, abuse, anger, quarrel, etc makes me think that they are of satan. Some of them act worse than the unsaved.

What does the Bible say about this? I am not talking about works here but about the fruits.:rolleyes:
Words and works are fruits, thereby by their words you shall also know them. Some may put up the front as being a lamb, but truly they speak as a Dragon.

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. :)
 
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Gr8grace

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I have seen that some "Christians"hurt others, especially on social- networking sites. Why do they do that? If they had love of GOD in them will they mistreat the other parts of Christ? I mean lies, slander, abuse, anger, quarrel, etc makes me think that they are of satan. Some of them act worse than the unsaved.

What does the Bible say about this? I am not talking about works here but about the fruits.:rolleyes:
Angela just posted these scriptures on another thread, and they fit here........

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." Gal. 5:22-23

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37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:37-39

So when we are not operating in the Spirit and being mean(I admit I can still be mean) we are still covered by the Love of Christ.

But I would guess that 70 to 90% of the time the other person is just being mean in OUR eyes.Like Sirk said, we can't see body language, eye contact or expressions through this media.

For me personally, I need a slap upside the head to learn things. So I am more comfortable with a "drill sergeant" type of style. To me, it is not mean, but to others it may make them cry.
 
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purgedconscience

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But it's made of bullet proof glass....right? You still duck tho don't you?
haha.

I'd imagine that I'd still duck, simply by reflex, even if hiding behind bullet proof glass.

How about we all just turn in our guns?

A few years ago, I was in a dispute with another church member who made it public to the pastor of our church. We were both vigorously explaining our sides when the pastor simply said, Put down your swords! I put mine down. We really do need to stop killing each other.
 
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Sirk

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haha.

I'd imagine that I'd still duck, simply by reflex, even if hiding behind bullet proof glass.

How about we all just turn in our guns?

A few years ago, I was in a dispute with another church member who made it public to the pastor of our church. We were both vigorously explaining our sides when the pastor simply said, Put down your swords! I put mine down. We really do need to stop killing each other.
We really should try to see positive intent in people. It's a hard virtue to master but is so worth it when you can shut off your own noisy brain and actually listen for God.
 

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haha.

I'd imagine that I'd still duck, simply by reflex, even if hiding behind bullet proof glass.

How about we all just turn in our guns?

A few years ago, I was in a dispute with another church member who made it public to the pastor of our church. We were both vigorously explaining our sides when the pastor simply said, Put down your swords! I put mine down. We really do need to stop killing each other.
Wow just think many believers still act that way. Reacting to sin like Jesus could not forgive every last sin we commit. How many will trust bullet proof glass to stop a bullet quicker than they will trust Jesus to forgive their sins?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Christians are nasty when they walk in the flesh not in the Spirit. If they are deliberately nasty and often so they may not be Christians but really just pretenders. Only God knows for sure but as best you can give them the benefit of the doubt and always trust God to disciple them in His due time. Mercy shown to others is a reflection of the mercy received from Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Gr8grace

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But it's made of bullet proof glass....right? You still duck tho don't you?
Mines bullet proof. My turrets come in tomorrow or the next day.

 
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skylove7

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I am sorry...but when someone commands me to 'repent'...I am going to tell them THEY better repent too.
There are no Messiahs up in here.
And though my heart is filled with love and kindness.
I am not gonna let somebody treat me like a dog in here.
Im sorry if you think I should love someone abusing me....
I did it all my life...and I am forgiven
Because I am sure God gets tired of good people getting judged...damned and condemned by loony nuts too.

May the robes glow so bright...that only the self righteous see their purity.
I see a bunch of devilish pride in moo moos is what I see :)
 
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James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 

Angela53510

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We all come to Christ with different backgrounds, cultures and understandings of God. That means some people come with a strong background of who Christ is, and how he expects us to act. They may have been living in a godly home, with parents who raised them to understand the love of God, and how Christ expects us to treat one another. They can be shining examples probably from the beginning of how to be God's hands and feet in this world.

Others may come from abusive homes. They may have learned to defend themselves with nastiness and even physical strength. God has a big job changing these people, and it is probably going to come gradually, with much repentance, weeping and help from the Christian community.

Others barracade themselves behind being cruel or nasty, so they do not get hurt. Their hearts are hard, despite their relationship with God. God has a lot of work to do to move these people to a place of putting others before themselves.

But he will do it! He does change hearts and lives - one piece, one person, one step at a time. Sometimes it takes a long time to see that fruit. It may seem like the person is not changing.

But if they are truly saved, God is transforming them by the power of his Holy Spirit. I know there were times in my Christian walk that I looked like I was doing well. But it was me acting! Then there came a period where I was a nagging, angry shew. I was hurting, had unresolved conflict from my youth, my marriage, and work was also adding to my stress. My husband told me many times I wasn't a Christian. I was, but I needed God to really change me! I went from being an hypocritical actress to showing the real hurting me, and it wasn't pretty. It was part of the breaking process to remold me back into the treasure God had created.

Then God really let me fall, and used it for his glory. He gathered me back and the Holy Spirit began an incredible work! God showed me how hurting I was, and that I was not the only one! He reconciled me to my birth family. He taught me to be the one who reached out in love.

I marvel each day at how far God has brought me. And how he changed my husband, and has given us both his peace.

You need to look at these nasty people and ask "How can I help them?" "How can I be a friend?" If they resist you, there is a point you do need to move on. But instead of making their behaviours about you, or even about God, why not be someone God can use to be a friend to those who are hurting?
 
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Yeah...I'm not a big fan of making huge judgements about people that I don't really know. Nor am I fan of pretending "fruit inspection" based on the very small slice of people we see on the internet.

There are some basic truths at work with some of the nasty comments:
1. Hurt people hurt others
2. Shame begets shaming

There are a lot of people walking around feeling like they are inherently unworthy of love and belonging. Many of these people are part of the Church. Because of these feelings, they create situations wherein they are rejected, which only reinforces their ideas that they "don't fit in" and are unworthy of love and belonging.

The antidote for this kind of stuff is not "tough love" or "fruit assessment," it's empathy. All the defensiveness and "my spirituality is better than yours" posturing is a cover for deep insecurity and a desperate need for belonging.

So, how about we embrace these folks as brothers and sisters in Christ? How about we just love them even though they are like cacti or porcupines? Seriously, the early church martyrs were eaten by lions, so is it really that hard for us to sacrifice our need to dish out verbal spank-yous and offer up some grace to them instead. I know I desperately need a Savior. How can I, who have been forgiven so much, turn around and keep an account for the small offenses others may commit against me?
 
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BabyTeddy79

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Words and works are fruits, thereby by their words you shall also know them. Some may put up the front as being a lamb, but truly they speak as a Dragon.

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. :)
WOW!!!! Spot on!!! And you didn't hesitate to speak the truth. GOD bless you.
 
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BabyTeddy79

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Christians are nasty when they walk in the flesh not in the Spirit. If they are deliberately nasty and often so they may not be Christians but really just pretenders. Only God knows for sure but as best you can give them the benefit of the doubt and always trust God to disciple them in His due time. Mercy shown to others is a reflection of the mercy received from Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yep. Thanks for your valuable input.
 
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BabyTeddy79

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We all come to Christ with different backgrounds, cultures and understandings of God. That means some people come with a strong background of who Christ is, and how he expects us to act. They may have been living in a godly home, with parents who raised them to understand the love of God, and how Christ expects us to treat one another. They can be shining examples probably from the beginning of how to be God's hands and feet in this world.

Others may come from abusive homes. They may have learned to defend themselves with nastiness and even physical strength. God has a big job changing these people, and it is probably going to come gradually, with much repentance, weeping and help from the Christian community.

Others barracade themselves behind being cruel or nasty, so they do not get hurt. Their hearts are hard, despite their relationship with God. God has a lot of work to do to move these people to a place of putting others before themselves.

But he will do it! He does change hearts and lives - one piece, one person, one step at a time. Sometimes it takes a long time to see that fruit. It may seem like the person is not changing.

But if they are truly saved, God is transforming them by the power of his Holy Spirit. I know there were times in my Christian walk that I looked like I was doing well. But it was me acting! Then there came a period where I was a nagging, angry shew. I was hurting, had unresolved conflict from my youth, my marriage, and work was also adding to my stress. My husband told me many times I wasn't a Christian. I was, but I needed God to really change me! I went from being an hypocritical actress to showing the real hurting me, and it wasn't pretty. It was part of the breaking process to remold me back into the treasure God had created.

Then God really let me fall, and used it for his glory. He gathered me back and the Holy Spirit began an incredible work! God showed me how hurting I was, and that I was not the only one! He reconciled me to my birth family. He taught me to be the one who reached out in love.

I marvel each day at how far God has brought me. And how he changed my husband, and has given us both his peace.

You need to look at these nasty people and ask "How can I help them?" "How can I be a friend?" If they resist you, there is a point you do need to move on. But instead of making their behaviours about you, or even about God, why not be someone God can use to be a friend to those who are hurting?

Thanks for sharing that.
 
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BabyTeddy79

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I am not talking about "discerning" what the other person means or thinks from what they say. I wondered about (explicit) calling names, saying hurtful things, using abusive language, taunting, mocking, slandering and lying about others.

Thanks for all your inputs. God bless.