Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?
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Re: Study up...
You have that reversed.
Lexicons define terms as they were used at the time they were penned.
You, on the other hand, use modern English dictionaries to define Biblical terms.
Epic fail on your part.
No.
You have not.
In fact, you have yet to define any term with verifiable references.
Gen 5.2 has repeatedly been addressed.
Your denial of this fact, won't make it any less of a reply.
Gen 5 is a recap of Gen 1...same formula, and then a new formula is established with Adam.
AIG does not reveal this to you...
You have that reversed.
Lexicons define terms as they were used at the time they were penned.
You, on the other hand, use modern English dictionaries to define Biblical terms.
Epic fail on your part.
No.
You have not.
In fact, you have yet to define any term with verifiable references.
Gen 5.2 has repeatedly been addressed.
Your denial of this fact, won't make it any less of a reply.
Gen 5 is a recap of Gen 1...same formula, and then a new formula is established with Adam.
AIG does not reveal this to you...
Every person involved in your Neanderthal link maintains that they are tens of thousands of years old, minimum.
Thus...if you think that you are part Neanderthal, then you must likewise accept the age that comes part and parcel with the so-called discovery.
Otherwise...another epic fail on your part...
You did half of what was asked of you.
You were able to google RTB's position on Neanderthals (bravo!)....now...... demonstrate and defend why their model is supposedly 'incorrect'.
Here's a prediction of my own...
- None of what you present will be able to thwart the old age of the earth, Universe, or even of Neanderthals....all of these things are >6K years old.
Attacking a person's character cannot possibly diminish the facts of things being >6K years old.
When will you learn this...?
Re: Study up...
The most obvious reason is that you copied your reply from their website.
Thanks for proving my point.
Where....exactly...?
Let's look at your willful deception here...
I personally own the Strong's Concordance hardbound book, and the definition is nearly half the page....not the truncated version you googled...and the definition most definitely lists brand new creations as the definition.
So....no....you have nothing....
As you already googled in your definition, the word is used in the Qal only of God's activity during creating new things.
Wake up...
The most obvious reason is that you copied your reply from their website.
Thanks for proving my point.
Where....exactly...?
Let's look at your willful deception here...
I personally own the Strong's Concordance hardbound book, and the definition is nearly half the page....not the truncated version you googled...and the definition most definitely lists brand new creations as the definition.
So....no....you have nothing....
As you already googled in your definition, the word is used in the Qal only of God's activity during creating new things.
Wake up...
A very clever and entertaining response, TnTin.
( You are probably too young to know that RinTinTin was a dog
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Unfortunately, I respectfully suggest that your rationale is flawed.
* "modern humanity" has reached its conclusions based on evidence, science and logic.
Not the supernatural myths and legends conveyed for centuries, by word-of-mouth, by primitive, superstitious, illiterate, middle-eastern tribesmen
* the fact that evolution has occurred does not necessarily mean we are "sans God".
They are not mutually exclusive.
* That the "evolution story contains errors" is perfectly true ... we keep on learning as new research occurs.
Science happily accepts that in its ongoing search for truth.
Unlike the "inerrant bible" believers who pretend that new evidence is never valid simply because one flaw and the whole "inerrancy" crumbles.
Fortunately there are Scientists who are Christians who can accept the New Testament story and much of the old - just not the obvious Adam and Eve/Noah's Ark type myths.
And conversely, there are devout Christians smart enough to acknowledge that much of what Evolution teaches is at least more probable than those ancient legends.
( You are probably too young to know that RinTinTin was a dog
)Unfortunately, I respectfully suggest that your rationale is flawed.
* "modern humanity" has reached its conclusions based on evidence, science and logic.
Not the supernatural myths and legends conveyed for centuries, by word-of-mouth, by primitive, superstitious, illiterate, middle-eastern tribesmen
* the fact that evolution has occurred does not necessarily mean we are "sans God".
They are not mutually exclusive.
* That the "evolution story contains errors" is perfectly true ... we keep on learning as new research occurs.
Science happily accepts that in its ongoing search for truth.
Unlike the "inerrant bible" believers who pretend that new evidence is never valid simply because one flaw and the whole "inerrancy" crumbles.
Fortunately there are Scientists who are Christians who can accept the New Testament story and much of the old - just not the obvious Adam and Eve/Noah's Ark type myths.
And conversely, there are devout Christians smart enough to acknowledge that much of what Evolution teaches is at least more probable than those ancient legends.
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To Pumicestone: You asked why would He? when I suggested that he is creating and illusion of big distance and long times. The answer is in 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
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What evidence is there of Evolution?
What's mutually-exclusive is Genesis, with the entire Bible (and observation), where lives reproduce their own kinds:
Not different kinds, over time.
Evolution is not only not fact, it's not intelligible theory.
Does that mean Evolution isn't fact? Is fact? Is 'fact' with errors? Isn't that contradiction?
'An ongoing search for truth,' isn't that theory?
I believe that since God's inerrant, His book is too, as He said (Jn 10)
If God could (imaginarily) create Evolution, could He not equally not create Evolution?
The contradiction is between Evolution and Observation.
The contradiction is between Evolution and reproduction.
The contradiction is between Evolution and reproduction as the Bible (also) sets forth.
If Evolution is something 'probable' to you, doesn't that constitute theory?
Theory doesn't constitute fact. Unless or until it's proven to be fact.
'Scientific theory' doesn't constitute fact.
And certainly Evolution mythology---of life descending from a common, biological, ancestor---is the opposite of fact
What's mutually-exclusive is Genesis, with the entire Bible (and observation), where lives reproduce their own kinds:
Not different kinds, over time.
Evolution is not only not fact, it's not intelligible theory.
Does that mean Evolution isn't fact? Is fact? Is 'fact' with errors? Isn't that contradiction?
'An ongoing search for truth,' isn't that theory?
I believe that since God's inerrant, His book is too, as He said (Jn 10)
If God could (imaginarily) create Evolution, could He not equally not create Evolution?
The contradiction is between Evolution and Observation.
The contradiction is between Evolution and reproduction.
The contradiction is between Evolution and reproduction as the Bible (also) sets forth.
If Evolution is something 'probable' to you, doesn't that constitute theory?
Theory doesn't constitute fact. Unless or until it's proven to be fact.
'Scientific theory' doesn't constitute fact.
And certainly Evolution mythology---of life descending from a common, biological, ancestor---is the opposite of fact
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OK TinTin I have read your entry on page 31. It still doesnt explain much. A lion is a kind of cat there are varieties of cats, including prehistoric ones. Where are the kinds of Dinosaurs today? Seeing that there were hundreds of different types
ranging from the size of a chicken to that of a whale and larger. Some were land dwellers some flew others were aquatic
dont you think it strange that all without exeption are extinct. As for the ark it was either incredibly huge or it had Tardis like qualities. Supposing that Noah had managed to get them all on board as juveniles as you suggest how come none of them are still here today? Also how come you never here of anyone finding fossils of contempory animals along side Dinasours?
ranging from the size of a chicken to that of a whale and larger. Some were land dwellers some flew others were aquatic
dont you think it strange that all without exeption are extinct. As for the ark it was either incredibly huge or it had Tardis like qualities. Supposing that Noah had managed to get them all on board as juveniles as you suggest how come none of them are still here today? Also how come you never here of anyone finding fossils of contempory animals along side Dinasours?
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Crustyone:
.... there is no reason to think that he wouldn't have made dinosaur bones and other relics .....
Pumicestone: Ummmm .... why would He ?
Sorry Crusty, I just don't get it.
Are you saying that God made a bunch of phony old 'bones and relics' and hid them at divers places all over the planet
just to lie an delude people .... so that they could then be condemned ???
Doesn't sound like a really nice guy.
.... there is no reason to think that he wouldn't have made dinosaur bones and other relics .....
Pumicestone: Ummmm .... why would He ?
Sorry Crusty, I just don't get it.
Are you saying that God made a bunch of phony old 'bones and relics' and hid them at divers places all over the planet
just to lie an delude people .... so that they could then be condemned ???
Doesn't sound like a really nice guy.
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Because that would put doubts in people's minds about Evolution and that could never happen. Fossils of contemporary animals are absolutely found with dinosaur skeletons though. As for the ark, it was huge! Still, you get my kudos for the Doctor Who reference. As for what kinds of dinosaurs exist today? None. Some animal kinds just died out completely. And who knows, maybe there are some 'prehistoric' sea-dwelling creatures still in the deepest waters, I don't know. Finally, yes, the lion is a cat-kind. Logically, cat-kinds can only create other cat-kinds.
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TinTin how do you know that contempory animal fossils are found if there is some sort of conspiracy to keep the rest of us from knowing about it? I should clarify my position on this subject. I do no believe in Macro evolution. Apart from any
any faith based objections it is not logical because everything has a beginning and experiience tells us that you just dont see animals evolving. Having said that I am yet to see anywqhere a sensible explanation for the fossil record except to think that a former creation existed before this present one and for some reason it was destroyed, possibly by the means of an asteroid crashing into the earth. We may have to wait untill we get to see Jesus before we know the answer.
any faith based objections it is not logical because everything has a beginning and experiience tells us that you just dont see animals evolving. Having said that I am yet to see anywqhere a sensible explanation for the fossil record except to think that a former creation existed before this present one and for some reason it was destroyed, possibly by the means of an asteroid crashing into the earth. We may have to wait untill we get to see Jesus before we know the answer.
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