creations or children?

[psychomom]

i see a lot of this kind of idea tossed about, and was in fact earlier questioned about it in another thread.

people saying absolutely everyone is one of God's children.

here are a few verses speaking to the fact not all are God's children, but only those who are in covenant through Christ.
please add your own.

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (Jn 1:11-14)

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:26)

(...)just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. (Eph 1:4-6)

 

[psychomom]

oh, sorry, forgot to add if you disagree, scripture, please.

 

[MarcR]

Ro 8:10-17
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
KJV

 

[JesusIsAll]

As the verses you point out speak to having to be born into the family of God, by the Spirit we know (adopted), a familial relationship, or not, is self evident here,

Matthew 12:48-50 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 14:26-27 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

One has God the Father in Christ, or another father,

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Be whut I says, Schizma, h'aint nobody doin' pert near nothin' ta' be a changin' mah mind, whut lil' be of it dey says, anyhoo.

 

[crossnote]

All are children after the old creation by His creating act, but will come to an end with the Old Creation.
Believers are His children after the New Birth and will eternally be so.
IMHO IMHO IMHO

 

[JesusIsAll]

All are children after the old creation by His creating act, but will come to an end with the Old Creation.
Believers are His children after the New Birth and will eternally be so.
IMHO IMHO IMHO

Liked this for the IMHO and being an interesting question, but can't say I understand this. Are those dead in trespasses and sins ever of a claim of God being their Father, noting even Old Testament saints had faith in Him? For instance, was the destruction of most all mankind in the flood a purging of children of God, or the elimination of miscreants? Same for Sodom and Gomorrah? Just IMHO questioning, don' ya' know...

 

[Tintin]

God's creations - all people
God's children - all believers

 

[crossnote]

Liked this for the IMHO and being an interesting question, but can't say I understand this. Are those dead in trespasses and sins ever of a claim of God being their Father, noting even Old Testament saints had faith in Him? For instance, was the destruction of most all mankind in the flood a purging of children of God, or the elimination of miscreants? Same for Sodom and Gomorrah? Just IMHO questioning, don' ya' know...

I would say not in the intimate sense that we as Christians have...abba, my father, but more as 'our creator'. I'd have to look it up but I believe there is a verse or two where God refers to the world's people as children. In any case it's temporal and not intimate.
At least functionally to them He provides as a Father would.

 

[psychomom]

All are children after the old creation by His creating act, but will come to an end with the Old Creation.
Believers are His children after the New Birth and will eternally be so.
IMHO IMHO IMHO

lolol... there's one in every crowd

 

[Blain]

Mom actually made a thread? and in the bible discussion forum no less? Interesting

I know what the scriptures say, but then why do I feel in my heart that even the unsaved he sees as his children? It is because I see all as his children that I seek to love them as he does and to be willing to go to insane lengths for the sake of just one o them. I see saved children and I see lost children this is what I have come to know them as it was implanted in my heart but clearly the scriptures say otherwise but I can't seem to shake what I feel inside

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Ya can't be God's kid unless you have been born again of His Spirit . . .

 

[crossnote]

This comes pretty close and even though Paul is quoting a pagan Poet (vs. 28) it seems he is putting his stamp of approval on it...

Acts 17: 24-29 (KJV)

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 

[crossnote]

This comes pretty close and even though Paul is quoting a pagan Poet (vs. 28) it seems he is putting his stamp of approval on it...

Acts 17: 24-29 (KJV)

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

I meant to point out "offspring of God"...referring to all men in vs. 29, but this offspring had a senior moment

 

[psychomom]

I meant to point out "offspring of God"...referring to all men in vs. 29, but this offspring had a senior moment

's'okay because you combined it with three humble opinions! lol

 

[crossnote]

's'okay because you combined it with three humble opinions! lol

Ha, they weren't humble, they were in shouting CAPS.

 

[psychomom]

Ha, they weren't humble, they were in shouting CAPS.

.....

 

[Angela53510]

"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." 1 John 3:1-2

One of my favourite verses!

 

[JesusIsAll]

I meant to point out "offspring of God"...referring to all men in vs. 29, but this offspring had a senior moment

Don't know, Crossnote. I'd be feeling pretty clinical, if my Dad called me offspring. He may even rightfully consider this so, but he would never say it. "I'd like you to meet my offspring..." (What sprung.)

Speaking of the poet in that verse,

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
My offspring is sprung,
Tis' a mournful to do.

 

[crossnote]

Don't know, Crossnote. I'd be feeling pretty clinical, if my Dad called me offspring. He may even rightfully consider this so, but he would never say it. "I'd like you to meet my offspring..." (What sprung.)

Speaking of the poet in that verse,

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
My offspring is sprung,
Tis' a mournful to do.

My only rebuttal...

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If it was good enough for Paul,
It should be good enough for you

 

[JesusIsAll]

My only rebuttal...

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
If it was good enough for Paul,
It should be good enough for you

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
One's got ta' admit,
What yoo's sayin' iz troo.