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I'm sorry to doubt you. Please accept my apology. The reason i reacted in such a way is, I have been Catholic for 46 yrs and a member of the music team(choir for 16. I have been a choir director for the past 3 Yrs. The reason I questioned your story is because there is a specific time of the Mass called offeratory and preperation of the gifts. This is when money is collected and the altar prepared for the consecration. I have to select long songs for this and I try hard to play contemplative music for this time. In all my 46 Yrs I have never heard of a Catholic Church taking the offering before Mass as you enter the church. What did they do during the offering and preperation part of Mass? I'm sorry if I upset you! I've been pretty upset at the misleading of Church doctrine. This will be my final post on this thread, but I felt strongly I owe you an apology and explanation! 
I will admit I have been in Catholic churches many times in my life, with friends and family, and I have only seen money collected during the mass, in collection plates. But then, I just read somewhere about a Southern Baptist Church demanding to know your income, and demanding that you pay 10% of that. I attended a Canadian Southern Baptist church for 5 years, and that never happened. But then, Baptists tend to follow their own scripts, too!
I'm sorry to doubt you. Please accept my apology. The reason i reacted in such a way is, I have been Catholic for 46 yrs and a member of the music team(choir for 16. I have been a choir director for the past 3 Yrs. The reason I questioned your story is because there is a specific time of the Mass called offeratory and preperation of the gifts. This is when money is collected and the altar prepared for the consecration. I have to select long songs for this and I try hard to play contemplative music for this time. In all my 46 Yrs I have never heard of a Catholic Church taking the offering before Mass as you enter the church. What did they do during the offering and preperation part of Mass? I'm sorry if I upset you! I've been pretty upset at the misleading of Church doctrine. This will be my final post on this thread, but I felt strongly I owe you an apology and explanation!
I also apologize for my conduct. Please forgive me.
Just shows that traditions were a little different 90+ years ago in the rural hills of Southwestern Pennsylvania.
God bless you, MC.
It's all good my friend. I like your passion. Think what Christianity would be without passion.
I also apologize for my conduct. Please forgive me.
Just shows that traditions were a little different 90+ years ago in the rural hills of Southwestern Pennsylvania.
God bless you, MC.
I also apologize for my conduct. Please forgive me.
Just shows that traditions were a little different 90+ years ago in the rural hills of Southwestern Pennsylvania.
God bless you, MC.
Newsflash!
There were through history, and still are:
* Bible believing, independent christian churches that didn't need to reform and were not catholic either!
Distinctives:
* Baptism by full immersion of believers only
* Re-baptism of people who were 'sprinkled' or who were in a church with wayward teaching.
* Independence and autonomy of God's churches
* Lords supper and tithing practiced
* Belief in deity of Christ
* Belief in one triune God
* Belief the bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God
* Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus and that it is eternally secure.
Now this may sound at first glance to be a protestant statement of faith.. but how many protestant churches do you know who will re-baptise? How many protestant churches are 'independent and autonomous'?
These churches have been around since the beginning of the New Testament churches. They were nicknamed by others but had no denominational designation.
The equivalent today would be the likes of independent baptist churches...bible baptist churches.. independent missionary baptist churches.. with the name baptist.. but not the same as the baptists that signed up to confessional statements of faith such as 1689.
Anyway.. the point being that
Protestant or Catholic are not the only options for christianity.. there were, and always will be (until the church age ends) independent christian churches that did not need to reform and were never part of catholicism.
Books on this:
The Battle for Baptist History- I.K Cross
The Trail of Blood.. J.M Carroll
Real Churches or a Fog.. S.E Anderson
And Churches in the Valley of Peidemont (Very hard book to find I think though)
There were through history, and still are:
* Bible believing, independent christian churches that didn't need to reform and were not catholic either!
Distinctives:
* Baptism by full immersion of believers only
* Re-baptism of people who were 'sprinkled' or who were in a church with wayward teaching.
* Independence and autonomy of God's churches
* Lords supper and tithing practiced
* Belief in deity of Christ
* Belief in one triune God
* Belief the bible is the inerrant, infallible Word of God
* Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus and that it is eternally secure.
Now this may sound at first glance to be a protestant statement of faith.. but how many protestant churches do you know who will re-baptise? How many protestant churches are 'independent and autonomous'?
These churches have been around since the beginning of the New Testament churches. They were nicknamed by others but had no denominational designation.
The equivalent today would be the likes of independent baptist churches...bible baptist churches.. independent missionary baptist churches.. with the name baptist.. but not the same as the baptists that signed up to confessional statements of faith such as 1689.
Anyway.. the point being that
Protestant or Catholic are not the only options for christianity.. there were, and always will be (until the church age ends) independent christian churches that did not need to reform and were never part of catholicism.
Books on this:
The Battle for Baptist History- I.K Cross
The Trail of Blood.. J.M Carroll
Real Churches or a Fog.. S.E Anderson
And Churches in the Valley of Peidemont (Very hard book to find I think though)
To try to 'get your life on track' may be futile without the rebirth and His abiding Holy Spirit giving you strength.
we cannot fulfill God's demands. We all have rebelled against Him.
We come to Calvary where Christ shed His blood for our sins.
Our old man in his futile strength dies there.
He forgives and grants us new Life...a rebirth
His righteousness he freely robes us in,
And fills us with us His Spirit strengthening us and granting us a new heart with new desires.
His Word expounds these truths, call upon the Lord who was raised from the dead and truly know Him.
we cannot fulfill God's demands. We all have rebelled against Him.
We come to Calvary where Christ shed His blood for our sins.
Our old man in his futile strength dies there.
He forgives and grants us new Life...a rebirth
His righteousness he freely robes us in,
And fills us with us His Spirit strengthening us and granting us a new heart with new desires.
His Word expounds these truths, call upon the Lord who was raised from the dead and truly know Him.
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I'm sorry to doubt you. Please accept my apology. The reason i reacted in such a way is, I have been Catholic for 46 yrs and a member of the music team(choir for 16. I have been a choir director for the past 3 Yrs. The reason I questioned your story is because there is a specific time of the Mass called offeratory and preperation of the gifts. This is when money is collected and the altar prepared for the consecration. I have to select long songs for this and I try hard to play contemplative music for this time. In all my 46 Yrs I have never heard of a Catholic Church taking the offering before Mass as you enter the church. What did they do during the offering and preperation part of Mass? I'm sorry if I upset you! I've been pretty upset at the misleading of Church doctrine. This will be my final post on this thread, but I felt strongly I owe you an apology and explanation!
After moving out of Jersey, I lived in two other states and a different part of Jersey (different diocese), where none of that ever happened. So, there is a good chance it was just one diocese in Jersey versus a common practice in The Church.