Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[JackH]

Now for the big one, do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, was put in a tomb for 3 days, and was resurrected defeating sin and death and making a way to reconcile the sinner with God?

Yes, I do believe that, as I stated near the beginning of this thread.

I do not take issue with what you or any other Christian, or non-Christian for that matter, believes with respect to the matter of accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. That decision is up to each individual to make for himself or herself.

I do not necessarily take issue with someone believing that the Earth is around 6,000 years old based upon his/her interpretation of Scripture. I do not agree, but there are many disagreements between honest and conscientious individuals over what certain verses mean.

What I take issue with in particular is when YECs distort, misrepresent, and outright lie to push their YEC agenda. With respect to science, it is very clear to me that is what Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) does and these major YEC cult propaganda machines like Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis, and Creation Ministries International do.

In my opinion, this YEC nonsense leads far more people away from Christ than to Christ.

Most of your posts chastise me rather than pertain to the subject matter of this thread. Do not give me another lecture about how disrespectful I am to fellow Christians. I'll just ignore it like I have done most of the other ones. If you want to chastise Christians who are disrespectful to fellow Christians, go to the “Catholic Heresy” or “Obama the Christian” thread.

 

[JackH]

probably around 2400 BC

historical records

So you place the building of the Great Pyramid of Giza at around 2400 BC.

And YECs place the global flood at around 2400 BC.

And YECs say the Great Pyramid of Giza was built after the global flood.

Which of course they must do because otherwise the Great Pyramid of Giza would likely have been destroyed in the global flood.

YECs can not deviate from a date for creation of around 4000 BC to say 5000 BC because then, obviously, their global flood is before the building of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

This is only one reason why YECs will not waver from a 6,000-year-old world no matter what credible evidence is furnished. No evidence matters to YECs that does not confirm the pre-conceived conclusion that the world is 6,000 years old.

And many YECs have no problem distorting and misrepresenting evidence that does not support their 6,000-year-old worldview.

 

[Jimbone]

Yes, I do believe that, as I stated near the beginning of this thread.

I do not take issue with what you or any other Christian, or non-Christian for that matter, believes with respect to the matter of accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. That decision is up to each individual to make for himself or herself.

I do not necessarily take issue with someone believing that the Earth is around 6,000 years old based upon his/her interpretation of Scripture. I do not agree, but there are many disagreements between honest and conscientious individuals over what certain verses mean.

What I take issue with in particular is when YECs distort, misrepresent, and outright lie to push their YEC agenda. With respect to science, it is very clear to me that is what Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) does and these major YEC cult propaganda machines like Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis, and Creation Ministries International do.

In my opinion, this YEC nonsense leads far more people away from Christ than to Christ.

Most of your posts chastise me rather than pertain to the subject matter of this thread. Do not give me another lecture about how disrespectful I am to fellow Christians. I'll just ignore it like I have done most of the other ones. If you want to chastise Christians who are disrespectful to fellow Christians, go to the “Catholic Heresy” or “Obama the Christian” thread.

Well thank you for halfway answering one of my questions, and I'm glad to hear you do believe that. I also guess I can see your beef with those particular beliefs and why. Really though man in all honesty I find your whole tone disrespectful, and quite frankly juvenile (not like you care what I think or even should), especially for a 98 year old (<-- just a joke), but to each his own. Thank you for entertaining my curiosity and answering my question. I will no longer "lecture you" or "get in your grill" anymore. I think we have reached the high point of our conversations and I think we should go ahead and quit while we're ahead. Thanks you for the answer, and my Jesus bless you and all your family. Sorry for being such a pain sometimes.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I read it on Kent Hovind's blog which is part of freekenthovind.com. They are posting up letters Kent is writing from solitary in the SHU. Here's an example (sans-emoticons): Letter From Kent Hovind While In Solitary (6/29/2015) - Illegal Religious Persecution in America | #FreeKent Hovind Illegal Religious Persecution in America | #FreeKent Hovind

"June 25th 2015 (Letter Recieved June 29th 2015)LETTER FROM PASTOR KENT HOVIND:

Dear Body of Christ,

Well, that hurt But it was worth it… I was only back at the camp for 3-days when they called me to the office again Friday morning, June the 18th, they sent me to the hole again while they are doing another investigation After being investigated for 10-days last time they just sent me back and didn’t tell me what I was being investigated for. Now I am here again same room bed and bible That is a one in 270 chance It’s not freezing now and I’m by myself."

Etc... he's got a bunch of letters posted up at his blog.

Also, I've had ex-felons tell me both people they did not get along with and people who got jealous that weren't getting out did deliberately mess with them to try and get them some more time as their release date approached.

So go pound sand Dave. Lol.

Where did you get your information? Everything i read above is not True. i use to be a Correctional Officer in a Prison. And nobody is put in "the Hole" because of an outside phone call. Also When people are put in "the Hole" that is not made public, even the inmates inside would not have known the reason Mr Kent was put in "the Hole". If they got a phone call from outside, and for some idiotic reason they wanted to protect him and put him in "the Hole" they would just come in and take him without announcing to anyone as to the reason they are taking him.
Also prisoners do not get jealous that an inmate is getting out, instead they take advantage of that person that is about to get out, by trying to get their STUFF, they will say, "i want your blanket or __________, when you leave" If they do not comply either immediately or before they leave, that is when they will try to get that person in trouble in order to jeopardize their getting released. Most of the time there is no problems, most inmates who are getting out, don't want to keep any of their STUFF, and are more then willing to give it away before they leave. Inmates who want to KEEP all their stuff are the ones that has problems with other inmates before they get out.

^i^ Responding to post #1174

 

[Mitspa]

There are actually quite a number of different dating techniques.

*Uranium to Lead --- minerals --- 1M to 4.5B years
*Rubidium to Strontium --- minerals --- 60M to 4.5B years
*Potassium to Argon --- minerals --- 10K to 3B years
*Uranium Series Disequibrium --- minerals, shell, bone, teeth, coral --- 0 to 0.4M years
*Carbon 14 --- minerals, shell, wood, bone, teeth --- 0 to 40K years
*Fission Track--- minerals, natural glass --- 0.5M to 1B years
*Thermoluminsecence --- minerals, natural glass --- 0 to 0.5M years
*Electron Spin Resonance --- minerals, teeth, shell, coral --- 1K to 1M years
*Geomagnetic Polarity --- minerals --- 0.8M to 200M years
*Amino Acid Racemization --- shells, other biocarbonates --- 500 to 0.3M years
*Obsidian Hydration --- natural glass --- 500 to 0.2M years
*Dendrochronology --- tree rings --- 0 to 12K years
*Lichenometry --- lichens --- 100 to 9K years

These and other dating technologies are remarkably consistent with each other. Each of course has its own limitations and like any scientific measurement or calculation each has a range of possible error which is carefully calculated.

Yep all these things just came from nowhere one day when nothing blew up....lol

By the way the fact that chemical evolution is impossible debukes the whole evolution religion alone... you guys want to talk about that issue?

 

[JackH]

Evolution as fact and theory:

Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[SUP][1]

Evolution as fact and theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/SUP]

Hey Mitspa:

Evolution is a fact and a theory and not a religion.

You sound like Dr. Dino when you say evolution is a religion.

Dr. Dino says that in many of his videos.

You get that ridiculous rhetoric from Dr. Dino, even though you don't know it.

 

[JackH]

I can only take it at 'face value' , i came across a paleontoligist group who used the accelerater mass spectrometry (AMS) method and showed a carbon 14 dating value of 22 dinosaurs less than 40 thousand years. This group claimed to have also tested a freshly killed seal that had a C14 dating age of 1300 years, how can that be right?.

CARBON DATING OF FOSSILS

Hey Mitspa:

I did your homework for you.

Here is what you are looking for on carbon 14 dating.

Do you agree with what it says in the block in white with red lines around it on the first page?

 

[JackRT]

What a joke...evolutionist will make up anything to make the fairy tale believable

Mockery and insult is now recognized as a legitimate debating technique?

Nothing blew up and made everything? Do you believe that's "science" ?

Yes, that is science --- the branch known as "cosmology". You are referring to the "Big Bang Theory". Both the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are very well established major theories, with enormous levels of verification and evidence. The ToE is stronger, probably, than the BBT, but it's sort of like saying 'steel is fairly strong but titanium alloy is stronger' either one will serve for tableware with no danger of failure due to stress. At this point there are no known major issues with either theory. Details to be filled in? Yes. Weak spots? No.

 

[Mitspa]

Mockery and insult is now recognized as a legitimate debating technique?



Yes, that is science --- the branch known as "cosmology". You are referring to the "Big Bang Theory". Both the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are very well established major theories, with enormous levels of verification and evidence. The ToE is stronger, probably, than the BBT, but it's sort of like saying 'steel is fairly strong but titanium alloy is stronger' either one will serve for tableware with no danger of failure due to stress. At this point there are no known major issues with either theory. Details to be filled in? Yes. Weak spots? No.

Did you notice the OP and his continued mockery and insults?


So what known physical law of science would ever allow or suggest its possible that "nothing" can blow up and make everything? That's contrary to all the laws of physics and all science....that my friend is impossible and requires that one have a religious belief system.

And yes Im sure the religion of evolution has many true believers, just like all the other religions of the world....still its just a matter of belief, not provable facts, based on real science.

 

[Mitspa]

Hey Mitspa:

I did your homework for you.

Here is what you are looking for on carbon 14 dating.

Do you agree with what it says in the block in white with red lines around it on the first page?

Yes Im sure that some folks believe in carbon dating, some folks believe in UFOs....and that nothing can blow up and make everything.....don't make none of it true.

 

[JackH]

Did you notice the OP and his continued mockery and insults?

No, I didn't.

When I criticize something, I back it up with facts that I support with evidence.

If I say Dr. Dino or somebody else makes a ridiculous statement, I back it up.

You, on the other hand, ramble on and on and say the same things over and over without backing them up with anything.

 

[valiant]

At this point there are no known major issues with either theory. Details to be filled in? Yes. Weak spots? No.

thus speaks the fanatical believer lol

 

[JackRT]

thus speaks the fanatical believer lol

Fanatical? Thanks for my first good laugh of the day.

 

[JackRT]

Did you notice the OP and his continued mockery and insults?


So what known physical law of science would ever allow or suggest its possible that "nothing" can blow up and make everything? That's contrary to all the laws of physics and all science....that my friend is impossible and requires that one have a religious belief system.

And yes Im sure the religion of evolution has many true believers, just like all the other religions of the world....still its just a matter of belief, not provable facts, based on real science.

Based on massive evidence and the laws of physics and chemistry all the BBT says is that this universe seems to have originated in the explosion of a singularity some 13.5 billion years ago. At the moment science cannot say just where this singularity came from. Several theories are being investigated --- the implosion of a previous universe, a quantum fluctuation of "nothing" or even the act of creation by a deity. As Albert Einstein once said "The universe is not only difficult to understand, it may be more difficult than we can understand."

 

[Mitspa]

No, I didn't.

When I criticize something, I back it up with facts that I support with evidence.

If I say Dr. Dino or somebody else makes a ridiculous statement, I back it up.

You, on the other hand, ramble on and on and say the same things over and over without backing them up with anything.

Good then you should be ready to explain how a theory that breaks all the known laws of physics could be considered real science? In what labatory can anyone get NOTHING to blow up and make everything? No my friend you have a religious belief system not based on real science but a fairy tale ....a long long time Ago in a land far far away

 

[Mitspa]

Based on massive evidence and the laws of physics and chemistry all the BBT says is that this universe seems to have originated in the explosion of a singularity some 13.5 billion years ago. At the moment science cannot say just where this singularity came from. Several theories are being investigated --- the implosion of a previous universe, a quantum fluctuation of "nothing" or even the act of creation by a deity. As Albert Einstein once said "The universe is not only difficult to understand, it may be more difficult than we can understand."

Based on the laws of physics???? What law of physics? NO! You have to ignore complety all the known laws of physics to believe this nonsense... and all you are descibing is your religious beliefs that are impossible according to true science.

 

[valiant]

Fanatical? Thanks for my first good laugh of the day.

The broad way is full of laughter lol. Most of it forced.

 

[valiant]

Based on massive evidence and the laws of physics and chemistry all the BBT says is that this universe seems to have originated in the explosion of a singularity some 13.5 billion years ago. At the moment science cannot say just where this singularity came from. Several theories are being investigated --- the implosion of a previous universe, a quantum fluctuation of "nothing" or even the act of creation by a deity. As Albert Einstein once said "The universe is not only difficult to understand, it may be more difficult than we can understand."

Jack H - Both the Big Bang Theory (and the Theory of Evolution) are very well established major theories, with enormous levels of verification and evidence.

Jack RT- this universe seems to have originated in the explosion of a singularity some 13.5 billion years ago. At the moment science cannot say just where this singularity came from

Have the thieves fallen out? LOL

 

[Mitspa]

Jack H - Both the Big Bang Theory (and the Theory of Evolution) are very well established major theories, with enormous levels of verification and evidence.

Jack RT- this universe seems to have originated in the explosion of a singularity some 13.5 billion years ago. At the moment science cannot say just where this singularity came from

Have the thieves fallen out? LOL

Funny how neither one of them are unable to see that according to all the known laws of physics and real science that this is not even possible..

Professing to be wise they became as fools. Romans 1

 

[JackRT]

My father was fond of saying "where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise".