Does anyone else perceive something radical Occurring with the Writings of Paul

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fredjames said:
It is not surprising about them, when it is written, Apostle Peter the 'Rock' himself in his second epistle 'testifies' about those who have 'twisted' the teaching of Apostle Paul (2 Peter 3; 14-18).
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i think i see Peter's comment radically misused sometimes . . .
that is, when people affirm the grace and freedom we have in Christ, and make reference to something in Romans or Galatians to support it, out come the accusations of "twisting" and "misunderstanding" what Paul says to us.
 
Perhaps it would help if the OP gave some examples of the misuse of Paul's teachings?
 
JaumeJ said:
Please post a less lengthy response with the same content if possible, if not I will try to get to it. God bless you always.
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Ok, next time i will try and make it less. Thanks!
 
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The OP is asking if others have observed teh same. This is not asking for an argument over nay one pet teaching or another. hav
 
JaumeJ said:
Does anyone else perceive something radical Occurring with the Writings of Paul=
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There has been made all kind of wrong renditions by man in Bible, but Romans 7 is some times present like our dear Paulos actually was living still the life in sin, like part of time as a servant of sin, and part of time as a servant of God.

Even though a good tree can not make bad fruits.

So obviously this is a false reading.
 
I want to give one miss usage of Paul's teaching;

1) Apostle Paul did away with baptism in water !!!


This has been falsely told by others on here constantly that being immersed in water in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit's name was done away with or not needed. By those who state this is not required are doing away with a clear command by the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16 and again upheld by the Peter and performed by the other Apostles in Acts.

Apostle Paul also stated in Romans 13:9-11 this command will be upheld by believers in Christ !!!
 
No more radical than some guy traveling down a road to go off and kill more "zealots" when suddenly a blinding light knocks him off his donkey, leaves him blinded for three days, but also teaches him that the Light's name is Jesus, so he becomes a new kind of zealot. :confused:
 
JaumeJ said:
I post a question, and now you have me on trial. I will ask again. Do you notice a radical interpretation occurring in the posting in this bible discussio? Please do not make it personal attacking my integrety. My integrety is not an issue. Post to the OP, or start a thread on whatever it is you are trying to convey. God bless you with understanding always.
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Um, that wasn't your first question. Now I'm confused. Now I'm leaving, because it feels like I was supposed to mind read.
 
crossnote said:
Paul reveals some mysteries given to him by Jesus that had not been revealed by Jesus during His earthly ministry.
People abuse Paul by ignoring those mysteries.
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Mystery of blindness of Israel...Rom 11
Mystery of the rapture 1Cor 15:51
All things to be gathered in Christ Eph 1:10
Gentiles to be fellow heirs and of the same body Eph 3:6, 9
Mystery of the Gospel 6:19
Mystery of Christ in you Col 1:26-27

These and others, many have chosen to suppress these revealed glorious truths thus abusing Paul's teachings.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Does anyone else perceive something radical Occurring with the Writings of Paul=
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Yes. Something Extremely Radical.

I see Paul going from an extreme legalist and Pharisee to Resting in the work of Christ and His Grace.

Just as Christ Himself teaches in the Gospels. But for some reason, those who don't understand Paul, can't see it.

Romans 7:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

That was radical 2,000 yrs ago. You would think more would understand it nowadays. But, alas, it is just as radical now as it was then.
 
Grandpa said:
Yes. Something Extremely Radical.

I see Paul going from an extreme legalist and Pharisee to Resting in the work of Christ and His Grace.

Just as Christ Himself teaches in the Gospels. But for some reason, those who don't understand Paul, can't see it.

Romans 7:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

That was radical 2,000 yrs ago. You would think more would understand it nowadays. But, alas, it is just as radical now as it was then.
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yep. salvation by grace, through faith alone, apart from works. very radical. He not only went around the known world teaching it, writing about it, But he was persecuted for it, People tried to kill him for it. and he suffered greatly for it. So not only was he radical. but he offered himself up as a martyr for it.
 
This following statement is from Not A Pro Christian Ministry

The false apostle Paul incorrectly teaches that faith alone will save you, it will not. The book of James debunks Paul's false teaching of that. You have to be Torah observant of Lord Yeshua to be saved, easy to do too, the apostle John taught for that too in 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, (Deut 6:5) that we keep His commandments. (all Torah) And His commandments (all Torah) are not burdensome.

The following statements are mine.

The above defines half truth which makes it a total lie. The deceiver does that all the time.

If a person says Paul is teaching against the law, and not against the carnal mindset of people, in relation to the law, then obviously he will be seen as teaching contradictions to the other apostles. Same thing is in reverse, thinking that Peter, James, and John are teaching that salvation is by the works of the law. In either case, the interpretation is false doctrine. Peter, James, and John are not against the saved by grace and faith doctrine, and neither is Paul teaching against being in subjection to the law of God even if we beleive in the salvation of Jesus Christ via God's grace. A true Christian will see grace in God's law, and grace in what Jesus fulfilled, neither being extinct. The Old and New are not in conflict with each other, and neither is Paul a false teacher.
 
just-me said:
This following statement is from Not A Pro Christian Ministry

The false apostle Paul incorrectly teaches that faith alone will save you, it will not. The book of James debunks Paul's false teaching of that. You have to be Torah observant of Lord Yeshua to be saved, easy to do too, the apostle John taught for that too in 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, (Deut 6:5) that we keep His commandments. (all Torah) And His commandments (all Torah) are not burdensome.

Half truth in the above which makes it all a lie.

If a person says Paul is teaching against the law, and not against the carnal mindset of people, in relation to the law, then obviously he will be seen as teaching contradictions to the other apostles. Same thing is in reverse, thinking that Peter, James, and John are teaching that salvation is by the works of the law. In either case, the interpretation is false doctrine. Peter, James, and John are not against the saved by grace and faith doctrine, and neither is Paul teaching against being in subjection to the law of God even if we beleive in the salvation of Jesus Christ via God's grace. A true Christian will see grace in God's law, and grace in what Jesus fulfilled, neither being extinct. The Old and New are not in conflict with each other, and neither is Paul a false teacher.
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You are so close to understanding but then at the end you swerve off the road.

Romans 8:2-5
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


There is no grace in the law. Grace is embodied in the Lord Jesus Christ. A true christian can see that.

What a christian who is following after the spirit notices is that the following of the spirit will not cause them to break any law. The spirit is the cause of the fulfillment of the law. Not a carnal working at it.

You almost say the same thing but then right at the end you go full circle and give all credit to the Law instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The old is passed away. Behold, all things are become New.
 
Grandpa said:
You are so close to understanding but then at the end you swerve off the road.

Romans 8:2-5
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


There is no grace in the law. Grace is embodied in the Lord Jesus Christ. A true christian can see that.

What a christian who is following after the spirit notices is that the following of the spirit will not cause them to break any law. The spirit is the cause of the fulfillment of the law. Not a carnal working at it.

You almost say the same thing but then right at the end you go full circle and give all credit to the Law instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The old is passed away. Behold, all things are become New.
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God is graceful, and so is everything He ever said. Do you disagree with that? Your last line is talking about the human who is a new creature free from the law of sin, not the unchanging word of God who didn't write a law of sin and death. God just described it, and its repercussions concerning His righteous judgments.
 
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just-me said:
You have to be Torah observant of Lord Yeshua to be saved, easy to do too
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ha! whoever wrote this has not read what Peter called the law of Moses -- "a yoke neither we nor our fathers could bear" ?
 
The OP did not intend to gear down to disputing, so please forgive my posting it. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, Yeshua. I am unsubscribing.
 
JaumeJ said:
The OP did not intend to gear down to disputing, so please forgive my posting it. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, Yeshua. I am unsubscribing.
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It seemed like the OP did not intend to respond either (at least to mine) to most posts...maybe we are on 'ignore':confused:
 
i'm not clear on how you ask "anyone observed some controversial statements?"
without expecting to see some controversial statements, and accompanying controversy, in the replies.

;)

you don't have to be driven away from your own thread JaumeJ; sorry about that.
 
Jesus Christ:

Jn 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

One works for the meat UNTO everlasting life NOT work because one already has everlasting life.

Paul:

Rom 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Obedience UNTO righteousness NOT obedience because one already is righteous.


Paul did not contradict Christ.
 
posthuman said:
ha! whoever wrote this has not read what Peter called the law of Moses -- "a yoke neither we nor our fathers could bear" ?
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I see you are referring to Acts 15:10.

If professing Christians would focus their supposed spiritual thoughts concerning "change" or "done way with" toward the carnal human, (which propagates the law of sin and death), rather than the unchanging Word of God, (including the law of God), I truly believe that wisdom and understanding of the truth would follow. The "yoke" that this scripture is referring to is the "oral law" not the written law via Moses. Paul is referring to the "Talmud" that put many additional burdens on the Jews, and greatly limited the ability of Gentiles to join Israel. Paul is referring to "Judaizers" not the law of God originally recorded in the Pentateuch.
 
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