I am concerned about pastors

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p_rehbein

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IN UK we are not offering that protection. Anyone who has a licence to marry has to comply with the law, so if 2 homoseuxals approach someone with the licence to marry them, then they can not refuse, if they do they could be prosecuted. This is reason why my Pastor has never taken up the option to be able to legally marry people.
Even if the Law read that way. The Pastor/whatever STILL does not have to conduct the ceremony. They simply have to be ready to accept the consequences for not conducting the ceremony. No person/Government can FORCE ANY Pastor/whatever to conduct such a ceremony. It simply can not be done.
 
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Miri

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Ps the official government website www.gov.uk is the best place to
go look up any legal queries regarding the UK rather than relying
on word of mouth.

I have to use it a lot in my own job as a civil servant.
 
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Miri

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Even if the Law read that way. The Pastor/whatever STILL does not have to conduct the ceremony. They simply have to be ready to accept the consequences for not conducting the ceremony. No person/Government can FORCE ANY Pastor/whatever to conduct such a ceremony. It simply can not be done.

He got it wrong, see the above.
 
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I know that people are concerned about this, but they're not taking into consideration the right that religious organizations have always had to "refuse service" (so to speak).

So, let's say that church requires for one or both persons in a couple to be a member of the church in order to marry. If they are approached by any couples who are not church members, they can legally refuse to marry those couples. (Also, churches aren't required to indiscriminately offer membership to anyone. They can set their own parameters for this). There are lots and lots of congregations that require membership for marriage. Many also require pre-marital classes before a marriage will be performed.

Additionally, there is usually little "commerce" involved in these circumstances. Most of the pastors I've known of do not charge for performing weddings for the members of their congregations. Sometimes couples will give a pastor an offering for this service, but the performance of weddings is seen as part of basic pastoral duties and is not charged.

Here's where there MAY be some confusion. There are Christian people who own wedding chapels. These are not CHURCHES, but places of business. These people make a living from officiating over wedding ceremonies. If a Christian pastor own a BUSINESS and refuses service based on anything that violates civil rights, this person and the business can be subject to a law suit based on these violations. So, if the owner of a wedding chapel refuses to marry a mixed-race couple, this owner could be sued. If there's a refusal to marry a handicapped couple...again, subject to the law. And, therefore, the same would apply to same-sex couples. But it's not because this person has a "church," it's because they own a business.

So, here's perhaps the need for concern: If there are pastors out there who have actual congregations but who perform weddings indiscriminately as a means of supplementing their incomes, they might need to either 1. stop doing that or 2. be prepared to marry same-sex couples.

Additionally, if churches don't have policies regarding membership or marriage within their churches, they might want to rethink that.
 
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SPOCK

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Pray for our Pastor as well that he stays true to his Faith.
 
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We see where that got us. I agree but i think most pastors will cave. As i said before, if abortion doesnt anger people enough then why should this. Just yesterday the president of a well know christian organization for my state said, well whats done is done. This passiveness about sin turns my stomach
The Catholic Church has never caved on abortion and won't cave on this homosexual marriage issue.
 
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Rosesrock

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The Catholic Church has never caved on abortion and won't cave on this homosexual marriage issue.
I don't see any church stopping abortion either.....marching does nothing, downing pregnant woman in crisis doesn't work. Getting serious about prayer and listening to the actions God wants us to take would do it, but who's serious about that?
 
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I don't see any church stopping abortion either.....marching does nothing, downing pregnant woman in crisis doesn't work. Getting serious about prayer and listening to the actions God wants us to take would do it, but who's serious about that?
What I meant was the Church has always been pro life and it will continue to only recognize the sacrament of marriage as between a man and woman
 
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Rosesrock

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What I meant was the Church has always been pro life and it will continue to only recognize the sacrament of marriage as between a man and woman
I guess we'll see who caves. I"m no saying any non catholic church is any better. I'm also not waiting for the better man will stand last. I think all churches will decay from the inside out and this will in the end be a individual decision.
 

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Another overlooked point...now that America has redefined marriage, what young pastor worth his salt would even apply for a license to marry. He would be agreeing to it's new terms.

I know some who are closing up shop when it comes to marrying.
 

p_rehbein

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I agree they should not even consider this for a same sex marriage, but for a Godly marriage I think they should. However, not sure a "novice" Preacher should be performing the ceremony anyway.
 
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As I understand, some of the more liberal Lutheran churches are already conducting ceremonies for same sex couples. Don't know their exact "title" though.
It's the ELCA. (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) :(