Altar placement

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Miri

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I suppose we have a podium then.

The top one looks like a coffin.
 
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didymos

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#22
No wonder no one complained about me calling it an altar! Who's going to remember "liturgical center?" lol
Goes to show the liturgical centre is just an altar in disguise.
 

posthuman

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#23
I suppose we have a podium then.

The top one looks like a coffin.
whoah! never thought of that, but yes, it does look like a coffin. or a sarcophagus, i think would be the more correct word.

the church i grew up in had both, and used the 'altar' to store the communion wine/bread and offering plates. the ministers & elders would pray over these, standing there, before passing them around the congregation. and whoever was preaching or reading from scripture would do that from one of two lecterns on either side of the room.

the church i'm at now just has a podium. when we do communion (the church i grew up in did it every week, but this one only about 4 times a year), they move a table into the front of the room & put those things there, but otherwise there's no table/altar/liturgical-center.

anyway back to the OP -- yeah, i had the same thought, that it would be distracting for the congregation to be watching the public walk by out the windows during the service . . ? & certain times of year, would bright sunlight be pouring in?
i've been in hundreds of churches, because i worked as a pipe organ builder for ~ 5 years, and i've never seen one laid out like that. the main entrance was always at the back of the 'sanctuary' not the front. some (like Episcopal & Catholic for example) have a water basin close to the entrance, sort of right in the way of traffic, that's there for people to do a ceremonial cleansing with when they enter. but still the place the preacher stands and all is at the far end of the room when you walk in, or to the right or left if there's a side-entrance, in every church i've ever been to.
 
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No offense intended, as I've been to Catholic churches. They don't do sacrifices at the front of the church. They might call it an altar, but its a pulpit, just the same.
Absolute fact.
 
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didymos

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#25
Now THIS is a liturgical centre:



... notice how the 'table' got a permanent place next to the pulpit: more to the centre, a more important place. It's just one step away from being regarded as an actual altar. Though the preaching of the Word should be central to any christian gathering.
 
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We call the elevated end of our building where the speaker usually stands so they can be easily seen by all, "a stage."
 
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Well, I do hear some people on here complaining about others sleeping during services, so I imagine something entertaining to watch outside the windows might keep people awake...... if that is desired.
 
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Miri

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whoah! never thought of that, but yes, it does look like a coffin. or a sarcophagus, i think would be the more correct word.

the church i grew up in had both, and used the 'altar' to store the communion wine/bread and offering plates. the ministers & elders would pray over these, standing there, before passing them around the congregation. and whoever was preaching or reading from scripture would do that from one of two lecterns on either side of the room.

the church i'm at now just has a podium. when we do communion (the church i grew up in did it every week, but this one only about 4 times a year), they move a table into the front of the room & put those things there, but otherwise there's no table/altar/liturgical-center.

anyway back to the OP -- yeah, i had the same thought, that it would be distracting for the congregation to be watching the public walk by out the windows during the service . . ? & certain times of year, would bright sunlight be pouring in?
i've been in hundreds of churches, because i worked as a pipe organ builder for ~ 5 years, and i've never seen one laid out like that. the main entrance was always at the back of the 'sanctuary' not the front. some (like Episcopal & Catholic for example) have a water basin close to the entrance, sort of right in the way of traffic, that's there for people to do a ceremonial cleansing with when they enter. but still the place the preacher stands and all is at the far end of the room when you walk in, or to the right or left if there's a side-entrance, in every church i've ever been to.


Hi PH I'm digressing a little but I thought you might be interested
in this. It's in the Town Hall where I played with the church.
The organ in the background is one of the largest pipe organs in Europe.


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didymos

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#29
Hi PH I'm digressing a little but I thought you might be interested
in this. It's in the Town Hall where I played with the church.
The organ in the background is one of the largest pipe organs in Europe.


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Looks like a gay wedding cake. ;)
 
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loveGod4ever

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#30
Yes, that may be his position, which is why I am a bit torn. I get what he wants to do, evangelizing is what we should all do, but to congregated to praise and worship is a bit different. I am open though to hear different thoughts. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong, but a solution can always be found by searching for an answer that brings me peace.
 
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This is almost identical to our building. That's a nursery in the back.
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RachelBibleStudent

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#33
i have never heard of the altar area being placed at the entrance...i would like to hear the reason for doing this though...traditionally the altar has always been at the front so that you 'approach God' as you come to worship...but maybe there is an interesting insight giving a reason to flip it around...

i will say though that some churches have their baptismal area near the entrance...the idea being that with your baptism you officially 'enter' the family of God...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#34
this is a really neat altar...

i imagine that the ripe grape vines on the cloth and on the altar itself symbolize the lord's supper and the bountiful way in which God gives us his grace...

the illustrations underneath show people and angels with their heads bowed to christ in the center...who is seated on his throne presenting the opened book of the scriptures to the congregation...
 
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phil112

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#35
Most churches I've been in, the pulpit sits on an elevated area, kind of a little stage you might say. The altar is in front of it on the floor.
A lot of churches will also have the donation box on it. My understanding is it is located there so the pastor will be able to easily lend a hand and prayer. It is also used to keep tissues and anointing oil on.
 

Angela53510

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Hmm! I guess Baptists pretty much have a stage or "platform" for the more conservative pastors. The pastor usually has a lectern, or pulpit, but it is quite moveable, and it often appears after the worship service from the side. Except during special presentations, in which the pastor has to just wing it with his Bible in one hand.

My present congregation is a 1950's style church. It has stained glass windows, and was originally designed to walk in one end, with the "altar" at the other end. But that means some people are far from the front, so the pews were removed, a stage built in the middle, and chairs put in facing the front. That way, the chairs are only about 8 rows deep, and everyone is close to the front. The worship band plays on the "stage" and the pastor preaches from a pulpit below the stage. Since I cannot stand or walk these days, I will be sitting on my stool to preach.

I guess whatever works for the pastor and the congregation. The only thing wrong with any system, is that people tend to sit in the same places. That means they get to know the people around them, but often don't even recognize people who sit on the opposite side of the church. I guess that is where prayer meetings, Bible studies and small groups are good - because you get to know people who don't sit on the same "side" of the church.

As for the OP, I would talk to your pastor or elders and see what they think about having the pulpit at the entrance. I think the big distraction would be people going out if their kids need attention. I have to admit, it would probably be quite distracting.
 
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Hmm! I guess Baptists pretty much have a stage or "platform" for the more conservative pastors. The pastor usually has a lectern, or pulpit, but it is quite moveable, and it often appears after the worship service from the side. Except during special presentations, in which the pastor has to just wing it with his Bible in one hand.

My present congregation is a 1950's style church. It has stained glass windows, and was originally designed to walk in one end, with the "altar" at the other end. But that means some people are far from the front, so the pews were removed, a stage built in the middle, and chairs put in facing the front. That way, the chairs are only about 8 rows deep, and everyone is close to the front. The worship band plays on the "stage" and the pastor preaches from a pulpit below the stage. Since I cannot stand or walk these days, I will be sitting on my stool to preach.

I guess whatever works for the pastor and the congregation. The only thing wrong with any system, is that people tend to sit in the same places. That means they get to know the people around them, but often don't even recognize people who sit on the opposite side of the church. I guess that is where prayer meetings, Bible studies and small groups are good - because you get to know people who don't sit on the same "side" of the church.

As for the OP, I would talk to your pastor or elders and see what they think about having the pulpit at the entrance. I think the big distraction would be people going out if their kids need attention. I have to admit, it would probably be quite distracting.
In college, my wife attended a church with semi-circle pews so that the people could just move their heads a little and look directly at most people in the place. She loved it, and misses that special atmosphere.
 
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#38
I would prefer entrance / exits in the back or the sides to cut down on the distractions of people coming late or leaving early. After all we have the greatest example of somone leaving early when Judas left the first Mass right after communion!
 
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atwhatcost

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#39
Wow, never realised that thingy at the front of the church was called
so many different things.

We just have a thingy where the speaker puts his glass of water, bible
and notes. It also has a built in microphone. It's not either an alter or a
pulpit. Sometimes if there is a lot going on the platform the paster or
speaker just has a music stand to put bits on and a mic stand.

As for the OP query. I can see why your minister feels it's good to make the
church more visible. I think I would get distracted though and there are times
when I want to be free to come before God, maybe sitting down and praying
durung the worship, or maybe praying etc. Then maybe I want to worship
God with hands outstretched etc.

if everybody passing by was gawping and pointing, I think for me I would
lose some of the freedom.
No matter what you do, never ever point to the front of the church during service and ask, "What's that thingy?"

Just sayin'. lol (Is it bad, I'm cracking myself up?)