No trust in Creation...no trust in Genesis....no trust in Scriptures...

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Is creation a "salvation issue"

  • Yes it's vital to mans need for salvation

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • No creation is unconnected to salvation

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • Never considered any connection

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .
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Oh, boy. I don't know what to say.
They have never sent anything out of the earths atmosphere. There is a NASA scientist talking about the Orion project last year he stated shield y are trying to figure out how to build a ship that would shield the computer chips and astronauts from the deadly effects of the vandalism belthe s so they could go to mars, moon and other planets. They believe the vandalism belts start at around 500 to 1000 miles up and is 563-8704002 miles deep.. stating that no one would survive a one way never mind coming back. (Well I thought we went to the moon 4 times, they would have all died. Also one of the astronauts was asked about how they avoided the effects of the vanallen belts his response was they were not aware of the vanallen belts at that time so it didn't effect them (so he's saying they some how avoided the effects because they didn't know it was there).
 
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I see some typing is miss spelt should say vanallen not vandalism and the 563-8704002 should be 8000 miles. I'm on my cell you know that spell check sucks.
 
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The Bible says in plain language that God created the heavens and the earth in six literal days. Jesus is the Word of God. If you deny the fact that God created the earth in such a way that all life was immediately perfect and did not need millions of years to evolve, then you are denying His Word. He is wise and powerful enough to do things instantly. When Jesus spoke words, it happened. When God said "Let there be light", it happened. Likewise, we can find an example of this in the New Testament in Markus 4:38

And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

To deny God's creation (not evolution) is to deny the essence of Who Jesus was. If God couldn't create humans right away instead of using evolution, then Jesus wasn't able to perform miracles either like these and thus he cannot be the Son of God, the Messiah. Therefore there would be no savior for mankind. And yet, many Christians who believe in evolution, deny His power and His Words.
 
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valiant

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They have never sent anything out of the earths atmosphere. There is a NASA scientist talking about the Orion project last year he stated shield y are trying to figure out how to build a ship that would shield the computer chips and astronauts from the deadly effects of the vandalism belthe s so they could go to mars, moon and other planets. They believe the vandalism belts start at around 500 to 1000 miles up and is 563-8704002 miles deep.. stating that no one would survive a one way never mind coming back. (Well I thought we went to the moon 4 times, they would have all died. Also one of the astronauts was asked about how they avoided the effects of the vanallen belts his response was they were not aware of the vanallen belts at that time so it didn't effect them (so he's saying they some how avoided the effects because they didn't know it was there).
lol so all the nations who send up space craft are in it together?
 
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They have never sent anything out of the earths atmosphere. There is a NASA scientist talking about the Orion project last year he stated shield y are trying to figure out how to build a ship that would shield the computer chips and astronauts from the deadly effects of the vandalism belthe s so they could go to mars, moon and other planets. They believe the vandalism belts start at around 500 to 1000 miles up and is 563-8704002 miles deep.. stating that no one would survive a one way never mind coming back. (Well I thought we went to the moon 4 times, they would have all died. Also one of the astronauts was asked about how they avoided the effects of the vanallen belts his response was they were not aware of the vanallen belts at that time so it didn't effect them (so he's saying they some how avoided the effects because they didn't know it was there).
Now you are all wondering what this has to do with the thread. Well if we except Nasa's lies then we live in an insignificant part of the universe in a insignificant galaxy among trillions of galaxy's among trillions of plants just an insignificant speck on a ball that they have to come up with some kind of magic to keep the water and such from falling off the planet and this all happend by chance. Now if we believe God to be true then living on a flat earth with the sun, moon and stars evolving around us for signs seasons and times, being at the center of all things then we are a very special creation. Just as God has said. So I encourage all to take the time to look into this to prove God right and Nasa aka-Satan wrong.
 

valiant

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The Bible says in plain language that God created the heavens and the earth in six literal days.
You mean YOU say the Bible says that. It actually says nothing of the kind. Just consider the possibility that YOU might be wrong.

Literal days did not come into being before the fourth yom. So how could they be literal days? They are time periods of God.


Jesus is the Word of God. If you deny the fact that God created the earth in such a way that all life was immediately perfect and did not need millions of years to evolve, then you are denying His Word.
But all life is not perfect even yet. Why should man's fall have affected the living creatures who had not sinned? Besides man had to 'subdue' the living creatures, which suggests that they were untamed. So the text itself destroys your argument. Your statement is judgmental and absurd. I am not an evolutionist, but I think you make claims that are unjustifiable. No wonder you disillusion people. And in my view your charge is blasphemous.

I suspect the Word of God is on my side in this. He had more sense and compassion than you have.


He is wise and powerful enough to do things instantly.
No one denies that, but in fact He did not. He chose to do things stage by stage on ANY VIEW

When Jesus spoke words, it happened.
well actually it didn't always lol but I'll leave that for you to investigate.


When God said "Let there be light", it happened.
There we can agree.

Likewise, we can find an example of this in the New Testament in Markus 4:38 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
No one denies that God can do things in an instant. But He doesn't necessarily choose to do so. You will notice that He delayed some time before doing it. And He certainly took long enough giving Israel a chance.

To deny God's creation (not evolution) is to deny the essence of Who Jesus was.
I don't think any Christian denies God's creation. Some just deny YOUR view of it.

If God couldn't create humans right away instead of using evolution, then Jesus wasn't able to perform miracles either like these and thus he cannot be the Son of God, the Messiah. Therefore there would be no savior for mankind. And yet, many Christians who believe in evolution, deny His power and His Words.
What a nonsensical and illogical comment. Who are you to tie God to your ideas? Jesus' ability to perform miracles had no logical connection with how God created human beings. It arose from Him being true God. Many godly Christians who believe that Genesis 1 TEACHES evolution demonstrate how wrong you are. They neither deny His power or His words. What they deny is YOUR words.
 

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Now you are all wondering what this has to do with the thread. Well if we except Nasa's lies then we live in an insignificant part of the universe in a insignificant galaxy among trillions of galaxy's among trillions of plants just an insignificant speck on a ball that they have to come up with some kind of magic to keep the water and such from falling off the planet and this all happend by chance. Now if we believe God to be true then living on a flat earth with the sun, moon and stars evolving around us for signs seasons and times, being at the center of all things then we are a very special creation. Just as God has said. So I encourage all to take the time to look into this to prove God right and Nasa aka-Satan wrong.
And Russia, and China, and Europe, and the UK? All combining together to deceive people? And over a period of sixty years NO ONE (apart from you) spilling the beans? Ridiculous.
 

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Yes they have never left the earth atmosphere never all b.s.
LOL at least you have given me a good laugh. So even the Christian astronauts are lying? And Russia is upholding America's prestige by lying. And the Europeans are lying? All one big conspiracy?
 
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And Russia, and China, and Europe, and the UK? All combining together to deceive people? And over a period of sixty years NO ONE (apart from you) spilling the beans? Ridiculous.
Thanks for your support
 
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And Russia, and China, and Europe, and the UK? All combining together to deceive people? And over a period of sixty years NO ONE (apart from you) spilling the beans? Ridiculous.
Yes they are all lying
 

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Thanks for your support
I suspect that you need support lol. Have you been drinking.

Do you know what the world conspiracy of space exploration claim?

The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners. The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.[SUP][30][/SUP] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
In fact, the astronauts' overall exposure was dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads(1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commissionfor people who work with radioactivity.

Good story eh? :)
 
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I suspect that you need support lol. Have you been drinking.

Do you know what the world conspiracy of space exploration claim?

The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners. The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them.[SUP][30][/SUP] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
In fact, the astronauts' overall exposure was dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads(1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commissionfor people who work with radioactivity.

Good story eh? :)
Man keep talking the blue pill they got you right where they won't you. Haha hahaha sad sad indeed.
 
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Radiation is interesting. McMaster University in Hamilton Ontario Canada has a research reactor under a concrete dome. Almost 50 years ago my office was situated about 100 feet from that dome. The radiation level under that dome was actually less than the natural back ground level in my office and very much less than on an aircraft flying at 40,000 feet.
 

valiant

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Man I hate this cellphone spell pick it really messes things up when you're trying to prove a point.
that's because you haven't realised yet that its a fake. all you really hear on it are recorded message, cos the pretended satellites that are said to pass on messages aren't really above us. they are all Nasa fakes, :)
 
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that's because you haven't realised yet that its a fake. all you really hear on it are recorded message, cos the pretended satellites that are said to pass on messages aren't really above us. they are all Nasa fakes, :)
That's right if all cellphone's are satellite feed what is the need for all the tower's satellite's are fake
 

valiant

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That's right if all cellphone's are satellite feed what is the need for all the tower's satellite's are fake
so towers go all over the world across the sea? Or is the sea fake too? :)
 
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so towers go all over the world across the sea? Or is the sea fake too? :)
If you check out the flight paths of plane's you will see GPS is turned off when over the ocean you really need to check things out.
 

valiant

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If you check out the flight paths of plane's you will see GPS is turned off when over the ocean you really need to check things out.
who said anything about planes? But I can access America and Australia and Singapore and Greenland from the UK because of satellite transmission

lol you are better than Jack at ignoring facts. you two should get together.