-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E
no purged, that is just not so
In Genesis 3, God says this to the serpent...who represented satan
14So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[SUP]a[/SUP] and hers;
he will crush[SUP]b[/SUP] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
God is speaking of Jesus here which most of us know is accepted as such
There is nothing hidden there...what Cahn is doing, is something else entirely
while you may disagree with the comments made, with the exception of one person, no one has bashed Cahn in fact I was very careful to state why I was not on board with this revelations
you do understand that what he states are actually revelations? that is, it would have to be revealed from God and God speaks by 2 or 3 prophets...not just one...that is simply an established fact
the other thing is, God is speaking to Israel in Cahn's reference and while most people will agree the message of repentance to the US is timely enough, the hidden mystery message is not how God speaks in these last days
In Genesis 3, God says this to the serpent...who represented satan
14So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[SUP]a[/SUP] and hers;
he will crush[SUP]b[/SUP] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
God is speaking of Jesus here which most of us know is accepted as such
There is nothing hidden there...what Cahn is doing, is something else entirely
while you may disagree with the comments made, with the exception of one person, no one has bashed Cahn in fact I was very careful to state why I was not on board with this revelations
you do understand that what he states are actually revelations? that is, it would have to be revealed from God and God speaks by 2 or 3 prophets...not just one...that is simply an established fact
the other thing is, God is speaking to Israel in Cahn's reference and while most people will agree the message of repentance to the US is timely enough, the hidden mystery message is not how God speaks in these last days
E
yes.....but there is no mystery in them
ancient mystery is hardly a moniker for God speaking to Israel and condemning them for their sins
however, you seem to acquaint Cahn with some truth...even though you asked what other people thought
So, no use in trying to state Cahn is right when, for example, I have known about his theories since he published the book
while it seems you are new to his revelations and ancient mysteries
If the people living in NT times did not have the NT, you simply cannot state that what is in the NT was available to them in the format we possess...people in Corinth did not receive letters for Rome etc
I do not think you will find support for Cahn's books among actual Bible scholars...you will find his teachings displayed, pushed and encouraged by many televangelists though
ancient mystery is hardly a moniker for God speaking to Israel and condemning them for their sins
however, you seem to acquaint Cahn with some truth...even though you asked what other people thought
So, no use in trying to state Cahn is right when, for example, I have known about his theories since he published the book
while it seems you are new to his revelations and ancient mysteries
If the people living in NT times did not have the NT, you simply cannot state that what is in the NT was available to them in the format we possess...people in Corinth did not receive letters for Rome etc
I do not think you will find support for Cahn's books among actual Bible scholars...you will find his teachings displayed, pushed and encouraged by many televangelists though
E
Cahn insists that vows were made to God in his comparisons with Israel and the US
No one made any vows to God concerning rebuilding
"...no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:19-21
No one made any vows to God concerning rebuilding
"...no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:19-21
P
Yes, we know this now, but it was a hidden mystery until God specifically revealed it as much to us in the New Testament and that was my point. I posted a couple of scriptures already which say the same in a previous response to valiant.
Again, my previous response was generic in nature and not specifically in relation to Cahn. I'm not a Cahn apologist. I simply started this thread for the exact reason that I mentioned. My sister just sent me Cahn's DVD and I was wondering what others thought of it. That's basically it.
Again, I'm not a Cahn apologist and I do appreciate most of the responses that I've received thus far.
E
well perhaps the words 'God revealed it' mean something here and perhaps we should just pay more attention to that
God spoke specifically regarding the promise of His Son...he didn't couch his words in address to someone else or about someone else
That is what I am talking about...anyway I don't want to shake this like a terrier until my teeth fall out LOL!
I'll post something about the Shemitah ... cause it might help to know what it is according to Cahn
God spoke specifically regarding the promise of His Son...he didn't couch his words in address to someone else or about someone else
That is what I am talking about...anyway I don't want to shake this like a terrier until my teeth fall out LOL!
I'll post something about the Shemitah ... cause it might help to know what it is according to Cahn
P
Hi Marc.
I actually started reading The Harbinger on somebody else's recommendation shortly after it was published and I never did finish reading it. I've also seen the video on The Harbinger that my brother showed me once. I'm certainly not Cahn and I'm hearing what some people here are saying about Cahn's apparent beliefs regarding the USA being some sort of New Israel or something and that would send up some red flags in my own heart and mind, but I'm thinking that Cahn might just be trying to point out how God deals with people at times. Personally, I'm not for this whole argument of, Well, God only dealt with Israel after that manner! My understanding of God is that He's no respecter of persons and He will deal with all people in similar manners at times.
I actually started reading The Harbinger on somebody else's recommendation shortly after it was published and I never did finish reading it. I've also seen the video on The Harbinger that my brother showed me once. I'm certainly not Cahn and I'm hearing what some people here are saying about Cahn's apparent beliefs regarding the USA being some sort of New Israel or something and that would send up some red flags in my own heart and mind, but I'm thinking that Cahn might just be trying to point out how God deals with people at times. Personally, I'm not for this whole argument of, Well, God only dealt with Israel after that manner! My understanding of God is that He's no respecter of persons and He will deal with all people in similar manners at times.
I
Don't forget, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude3
"The faith" is not in refernece to the simple trust we place in Christ in salvation, but to the entire body of Christian truth as revealed in Scripture. I don't think we need anymore revelations what we need to know is in the Bible, we're just waiting for it play out and for the end to come.
Come quickly Lord Jesus!
"The faith" is not in refernece to the simple trust we place in Christ in salvation, but to the entire body of Christian truth as revealed in Scripture. I don't think we need anymore revelations what we need to know is in the Bible, we're just waiting for it play out and for the end to come.
Come quickly Lord Jesus!
P
You seem to think that I'm resisting you or something. I'm not. I'm hearing you. I started this thread to get other peoples' takes on Cahn's work and I've certainly gotten that. My objection was simply related to any sort of personal attacks on Cahn as opposed to addressing his writings or beliefs. I'm against the former and I have no problem with the latter.
E
I find the headlines on some of these articles to be disturbing in and of themself. Such as the one following:
Jonathan Cahn Unlocks Thousands of Years of Mystery
Do you understand that would make him a prophet on par with Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the other major prophets in the OT?
Does the NT gift of prophecy line up with that? Is Cahn a prophet? or is he feeding off the headlines and wars and rumors of wars around the globe because I am not a prophet but I can pretty well put together the road the word is on and come up with some interesting messages
As the world waits to see what the end of a seven-year biblical cycle known as theShemitah may bring this fall, New York Times best-selling author Rabbi Jonathan Cahn issued a warning to prepare for economic calamity, war in the Middle East or even worse.
"I will state a warning which I have stated before," Cahn told hundreds of people gathered at the Prophecy in the News conference in Orlando, Florida, this weekend. "Whether it comes in this time parameter of the Shemitah or the year following or not, I believe a great shaking is going to come to this land and to the world that will involve the collapsing of the American economy ... and the removal of its blessings and prosperity.
READ THE REST HERE
Jonathan Cahn Unlocks Thousands of Years of Mystery
Do you understand that would make him a prophet on par with Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the other major prophets in the OT?
Does the NT gift of prophecy line up with that? Is Cahn a prophet? or is he feeding off the headlines and wars and rumors of wars around the globe because I am not a prophet but I can pretty well put together the road the word is on and come up with some interesting messages
As the world waits to see what the end of a seven-year biblical cycle known as theShemitah may bring this fall, New York Times best-selling author Rabbi Jonathan Cahn issued a warning to prepare for economic calamity, war in the Middle East or even worse.
"I will state a warning which I have stated before," Cahn told hundreds of people gathered at the Prophecy in the News conference in Orlando, Florida, this weekend. "Whether it comes in this time parameter of the Shemitah or the year following or not, I believe a great shaking is going to come to this land and to the world that will involve the collapsing of the American economy ... and the removal of its blessings and prosperity.
READ THE REST HERE
E
ot really...and does that matter? they are both from the same author and both based on personal revelation by Cahn
I only mentionned The Harbinger because that is the book that kicked these revelations into orbit
Look, people are quoting the verses because of what Daschle said as interpreted by Cahn...no one made any vows
I only mentionned The Harbinger because that is the book that kicked these revelations into orbit
Look, people are quoting the verses because of what Daschle said as interpreted by Cahn...no one made any vows
I
Cahn claims (and it would seem the whole foundation of his book rests on this) the founding fathers even as far back as the Puritans and the Pilgrims, that their intention was to establish a new Israel, and that God may not have accepted it as a covenant, but the founders wanted to make a covenant with God and saw it that way.
E
and I'm responding....why do you keep defending yourself?
there is no need to do so...IMO, we are only discussing and we all have an idea of whether or not we think Cahn is on or off
Anyone would be 'on' with regards to the state of the US...but that does not give credence to his personal revelations which equate him with an OT prophet
there is no need to do so...IMO, we are only discussing and we all have an idea of whether or not we think Cahn is on or off
Anyone would be 'on' with regards to the state of the US...but that does not give credence to his personal revelations which equate him with an OT prophet