The Mystery of the Shemitah

[Is]

My question, since the Levitical system has been put on HOLD during the Church age, why would God be operating according to the time table of the Feasts? Wouldn't that kick in again after the rapture when God deals again directly with Israel?

He wouldn't. Since the whole Levitical thing was a "shadow" of things to come i.e. Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.


What do you mean,

when God deals again directly with Israel?

If your talking about the thousand year reign of Jesus on the earth, I don't think any of that will be valid since they will have the "real thing!".

 

[purgedconscience]

My question, since the Levitical system has been put on HOLD during the Church age, why would God be operating according to the time table of the Feasts? Wouldn't that kick in again after the rapture when God deals again directly with Israel?

Seeing how I don't believe that the Church age began when many others here apparently believe that it began and seeing how I definitely don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I think that your question is off to begin with.

Regarding the timetable of the Feasts, regardless of when you believe the rapture will be, don't you see a correlation between the Feast of Trumpets and Christ's return? If you do, then wouldn't the Feasts have an application for Gentiles as well as Israelites?

 

[crossnote]

He wouldn't. Since the whole Levitical thing was a "shadow" of things to come i.e. Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.


What do you mean,

If your talking about the thousand year reign of Jesus on the earth, I don't think any of that will be valid since they will have the "real thing!".

I was giving the benefit of the doubt because a couple earlier posts mentioned timing according to the Feasts.
Yes, there seems to be a Millennial Temple of some sort,(Ezekiel 40) so feasts probably go hand in hand.

 

[crossnote]

Seeing how I don't believe that the Church age began when many others here apparently believe that it began and seeing how I definitely don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I think that your question is off to begin with.

Regarding the timetable of the Feasts, regardless of when you believe the rapture will be, don't you see a correlation between the Feast of Trumpets and Christ's return? If you do, then wouldn't the Feasts have an application for Gentiles as well as Israelites?

No, the feasts were/are for Israel, not the Church. But thanks, that was the point to my question.

 

[Elin]

See, its the mysticism regarding his revelations and the sensationalistic representations that throw me off

If you know anything about Jewish mysticism, then you might understand why I 'feel' or think as I do



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I'm not even saying I believe everything negative that has been written...I just kind of said no I don't think so to myself when I heard him and learned what all he was saying

Do not go beyond what is written (1Co 4:6).

 

[Elin]

So, does anybody want to discuss the actual topic or to just bash Cahn?

Incidentally, the whole plan of salvation is an ancient mystery, isn't it?

With that little difference of the authority of it from the word of God, which Cahn does not enjoy.

 

[purgedconscience]

No, the feasts were/are for Israel, not the Church.

Paul made reference to Christ our Passover and leaven while writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, didn't he? He also mentioned Christ the firstfruits, didn't he? Aren't these references to the Jewish Feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits? He also spoke to these same Gentiles of how Christ will return at the last trump, didn't he? Don't you see a correlation between that and the Feast of Trumpets?

I'm heading out for a 4th of July barbecue in a few minutes so I'll be gone for a good while. Permanently, if I'm on the menu. haha.

I hope that I don't miss too many fireworks here.

 

[Elin]

All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?

No. . .in Hebrews. . .warning the Hebrew professing Christians not to make the mistake of unbelief as their fathers did.

 

[just-me]

Christians should be celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles? I would expect this from a Judaizer, not a Christian! Colosians 2:16

Once a person studies the spiritual meaning of the foliage, and also the common knowledge that God does take care of His own under impossible circumstances, Tabernacles makes a great parallel to the salvation of Jesus Christ. This in depth understanding enhances the dynamic of our salvation today.

 

[purgedconscience]

All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?

No. . .in Hebrews. . .warning the Hebrew professing Christians not to make the mistake of unbelief as their fathers did.

I Corinthians chapter 10 verses 1 thru 11

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

I think that we can safely conclude that most of those to whom the Apostle Paul was writing in Corinth were Greeks and not Hebrews.

 

[crossnote]

Paul made reference to Christ our Passover and leaven while writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, didn't he? He also mentioned Christ the firstfruits, didn't he? Aren't these references to the Jewish Feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits? He also spoke to these same Gentiles of how Christ will return at the last trump, didn't he? Don't you see a correlation between that and the Feast of Trumpets?

I'm heading out for a 4th of July barbecue in a few minutes so I'll be gone for a good while. Permanently, if I'm on the menu. haha.

I hope that I don't miss too many fireworks here.

Yes, the Church enjoys the benefits of the fulfillment of the Law/Feasts which are found in Christ but they weren't given to Her for signs, nor were they for warnings to the Nations.
Here's where God's warnings comes from to all nations...

Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 2:1-3 (KJV)
1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

 

[purgedconscience]

Yes, the Church enjoys the benefits of the fulfillment of the Law/Feasts which are found in Christ but they weren't given to Her for signs, nor were they for warnings to the Nations.
Here's where God's warnings comes from to all nations...

Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 2:1-3 (KJV)
1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

The feasts and such were shadows of things to come and the body is definitely of Christ, but those shadows pertain to both Jews and Gentiles. That's all that I'm saying.

 

[Elin]

I agree with you, but Shemitah is in the 7th month every 7 years and so each year is the feast of tabernacles. This (the feast of tabernacles) is to be observed today as a rehearsal for the millennial reign of Christ, and during those 1000 years. Every church, worldwide, should be rehearsing for the reign of Christ Jesus. Tabernacles will be observed for those 1000 years, mainly for edification such as we have never experienced before. This edification is related to what you said, so I would also endorse that Shemitah is not to be taken as something separated from your explanations.

Based on uncertain private interpretation of prophetic riddles which others in the body of Christ interpret entirely differently.

 

[crossnote]

Once a person studies the spiritual meaning of the foliage, and also the common knowledge that God does take care of His own under impossible circumstances, Tabernacles makes a great parallel to the salvation of Jesus Christ. This in depth understanding enhances the dynamic of our salvation today.

That type of "in depth" interpretation opens Pandora's Box to all types of wacky interpretations and sets up an esoteric class of teachers who have the 'deeper' meaning. No thx, we who have the Holy Spirit/Author will do just find.

 

[Elin]

As the majority of Gentiles do not practice nor are they even aware, of Jewish festivals or practices, why would God proceed to blow the trumphet (so to speak) using that sort of symbolism?

Interesting that a Jewish man brings all of this up...I believe God's promises to Israel are still in effect...I don't believe that the Gentiles have surplanted Israel or that we are spiritual Israel, so I am not trying to do anything but take a look at Cahn's claims

God has one people, one olive tree, those who believe in the Promise, Jesus Christ, which was Israel in the OT and now also includes Gentiles in the NT. . .all are one and the same people of God.

 

[crossnote]

The feasts and such were shadows of things to come and the body is definitely of Christ, but those shadows pertain to both Jews and Gentiles. That's all that I'm saying.

I thought you were leaving LOL...Have a nice 4th.

 

[Is]

I was giving the benefit of the doubt because a couple earlier posts mentioned timing according to the Feasts.
Yes, there seems to be a Millennial Temple of some sort,(Ezekiel 40) so feasts probably go hand in hand.

So do you think sacrifices will be re-instituted?

 

[Elin]

All throughout the New Testament, Gentiles are given the example of what happened to Israel to learn from so that they don't make their same mistakes. Isn't this true?

No. . .in Hebrews. . .warning the Hebrew professing Christians not to make the mistake of unbelief as their fathers did.

I Corinthians chapter 10 verses 1 thru 11

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

I think that we can safely conclude that most of those to whom the Apostle Paul was writing in Corinth were Greeks and not Hebrews.

Yes, also in 1Co, which makes two times. . .I don't see two times as "all throughout the NT."

 

[purgedconscience]

I thought you were leaving LOL...Have a nice 4th.

Hey, the Lord made me and my wife one, so I have to wait on my other half. haha.

 

[crossnote]

So do you think sacrifices will be re-instituted?

If they are it will be for remembrance or thanksgiving in the Millennial Temple. But I wouldn't die a martyr over the issue