3 Miseries of Legalism

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Budman

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Legalism is attempting to earn God’s approval with our works. It is man’s attempt to qualify himself to stand before God on his own merits. We are recovering legalists, for there was a time, before Christ rescued us, when we attempted to find our joy in ourselves, our salvation by ourselves. Now we trust His perfect and sufficient work for us on the cross instead of our works.

But because we are recovering legalists, we still wrestle with returning to our good deeds to alleviate our guilty consciences, earn God’s favor, or distinguish ourselves from other people. Because of this, the apostle Paul reminds us of the misery and futility of legalism. “Christ has liberated us to be free. Stand firm then and don’t submit again to a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

With legalism:


Your joy is never full

If we seek God’s approval in our own works, our joy is never full. We are burdened down with a yoke of slavery. Christ is of no benefit to those who seek salvation in themselves (Galatians 5:2), which means joy always alludes the legalist as joy is found only in Him. As C.S. Lewis stated, “God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing.”

Your work is never finished

Legalism is exhausting because there is always something else to do. As believers in the Galatian churches considered circumcision to attempt to earn God’s favor, Paul declared that “every man who gets himself circumcised…is obligated to keep the entire law.” In other words, if you want to stand on your own works, you have to be able to keep all of the law, which none of us can. If you want to achieve, the work never ends. The work is never over. Thankfully, grace is received, not achieved. And the work is over as Jesus yelled out, “It is finished.”

Your standing is never secure

Legalism leaves people wondering if they are ever secure, if their works are ever enough. They are not. If our works could be sufficient, then Christ died for nothing (Galatians 2:21). So Christ is alienated from those who seek to justify themselves by their own works (Galatians 5:4). But for those of us who trust Christ and His finished work on the cross, our standing is secure, not because of us but because of Him. Those who realize and confess their weakness and need for grace are secure. Those who think they are strong in themselves are never secure. - 3 Miseries of Legalism - Eric Geiger
 
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Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

2 Cor 5:9 "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him."

Rom 14:18 "For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

2 Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
 
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Those who are in Christ do good works and are obedient because of the status they already have in Him, not due to slavish fear like legalists do. The motivation is the key element here. Legalists are seeking to earn or merit their salvation. Faith filled Christians work from the salvation they already have in Him.

Paul constantly pointed to this as the motivation for Christian obedience and service. It relates to the status we already have in Jesus, and the fact that he died on the Cross for us.



Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

2 Cor 5:9 "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him."

Rom 14:18 "For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

2 Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
 
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Those who are in Christ do good works and are obedient because of the status they already have in Him, not due to slavish fear like legalists do. The motivation is the key element here. Legalists are seeking to earn or merit their salvation. Faith filled Christians work from the salvation they already have in Him.

Paul constantly pointed to this as the motivation for Christian obedience and service. It relates to the status we already have in Jesus, and the fact that he died on the Cross for us.
The verses I posted prove that obedient works are necessary in order to be accepted and to continue to be accepted with God...quit doing the works required of God and become a reproach to God
 
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sparkman

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Who is it that gives the person the desire and ability to produce good works?

Philippians 2: 12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

There..I'll quote both verses..unlike legalists who omit verse 13.

There is man's responsibility, but one must always be aware that it is God who is producing the works.

Notice also that the person is working from the salvation that he already possesses.

Those who hold a man-centered view of salvation inevitably focus on man. The reality is a theocentric view, which focuses on God and his work. He is both the author and finisher of our salvation.

Legalism is a dismal theology that ignores God's role in salvation and focuses on man. Usually those who most strongly object to the theocentric view are Pharisees anyways and don't perform like they claim to. The most dedicated Christians I know hold a theocentric view of salvation.

Praise God for liberation from legalism!

The verses I posted prove that obedient works are necessary in order to be accepted and to continue to be accepted with God...quit doing the works required of God and become a reproach to God
 
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Imo, "legalism" is a code word for people who don't want to go to Church. These people seem to want God to conform to them on their time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Imo, "legalism" is a code word for people who don't want to go to Church. These people seem to want God to conform to them on their time.
spoken like a true catholic and legalist.

Legalism is a person who goes to church to be saved, and Not because He is saved, and wants to spend as much time as he can with Gods familiy.

Of course, to a legalist, you can not understand this concept, your religion has blinded you to this truth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The verses I posted prove that obedient works are necessary in order to be accepted and to continue to be accepted with God...quit doing the works required of God and become a reproach to God
you have been here how long and you STILL do not know how to properly discuss points in a thread?

The guy made three points in a thread. DO you have any thing to say which would refute those points? r are you just going to throw around a bunch of strawmen which have nothing to do with the topic?
 

MarcR

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People with an agenda, IMO, do not discuss . They put forth their agenda and insult everyone who disagrees with them.

Most of the 'work or loose it' folk have an agenda. Kenneth C. is one of the few who will enter into honest discussion.
 
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2 Peter 3:14- So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Mathew 5:29-
If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

I guess Jesus and Peter was a "legalists" too......
 

blood_bought

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The verses I posted prove that obedient works are necessary in order to be accepted and to continue to be accepted with God...quit doing the works required of God and become a reproach to God
yes, the scriptures are clear. a topic such as this seems to confuse legalism with obedience. this obedience is of course by God's graceful empowerment, but it is nonetheless an obedience that remains within man's discretion.

what was the end of the unfaithful servant upon his Master's return? the parable speaks of those that know the Lord's will, but do it not.

in contrast, an interesting topic of discussion would be "the miseries of lawlessness". of these, there are surely more than just three.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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yes, the scriptures are clear. a topic such as this seems to confuse legalism with obedience. this obedience is of course by God's graceful empowerment, but it is nonetheless an obedience that remains within man's discretion.

what was the end of the unfaithful servant upon his Master's return? the parable speaks of those that know the Lord's will, but do it not.

in contrast, an interesting topic of discussion would be "the miseries of lawlessness". of these, there are surely more than just three.
there probably would be more than three. One of the largest would be that I am not so sinful (I only make screw ups, or mess ups or mistakes) and I always make sure I repent when I make these little boo boo's!

So we see a legalist is twice cursed. One for the 3 points against legalism, and one for the multitued of points of the pysteries of lawlessness, of which they do not even think they partake in.
 
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Who is it that gives the person the desire and ability to produce good works?

Philippians 2: 12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

There..I'll quote both verses..unlike legalists who omit verse 13.

There is man's responsibility, but one must always be aware that it is God who is producing the works.

Notice also that the person is working from the salvation that he already possesses.

Those who hold a man-centered view of salvation inevitably focus on man. The reality is a theocentric view, which focuses on God and his work. He is both the author and finisher of our salvation.

Legalism is a dismal theology that ignores God's role in salvation and focuses on man. Usually those who most strongly object to the theocentric view are Pharisees anyways and don't perform like they claim to. The most dedicated Christians I know hold a theocentric view of salvation.

Praise God for liberation from legalism!

The requirement has been given to men to do righteous works, God does not randomly pick and choose among men which ones to "give desire and ability" to do righteous woks and which ones to withhold "desire and ability" to do righteous works..that idea put moral culpability upon God.


The Phil 2 context does not say the Philippians were saved by "working not" but that they had "always obeyed". God is working in those that obey Him and no in those that do not obey Him.

Obeying Gods will is not legalism..obeying Gods will is what the bible calls R-I-G-H-T-E-O-U-S.
Legalism is a word that gets thrown around a lot getting abused, misused, misunderstood by many of those that are throwing it around.
 
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you have been here how long and you STILL do not know how to properly discuss points in a thread?

The guy made three points in a thread. DO you have any thing to say which would refute those points? r are you just going to throw around a bunch of strawmen which have nothing to do with the topic?

I posted four verses and people, if they want to, can make their own contrasts/comparisons between those verses I posted and the what the OP stated. It's very telling how you call those verses I posted straw men. Those verses own their own without any commentary from me refute the OP.
 
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blood_bought

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there probably would be more than three. One of the largest would be that I am not so sinful (I only make screw ups, or mess ups or mistakes) and I always make sure I repent when I make these little boo boo's!
agreed, many more than 3 is very likely. :)

but when the pursuit of holiness is condemned as legalism, this is a sign of apostasy. would you agree?

another contrast to consider: one of the largest miseries of lawlessness would be the blind deception that I'm such a wretched sinner, when the truth remains that Christ has empowered me to overcome.

So we see a legalist is twice cursed. One for the 3 points against legalism, and one for the multitued of points of the pysteries of lawlessness, of which they do not even think they partake in.
indeed, the legalist is the most wretched of men.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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agreed, many more than 3 is very likely indeed.

but when the pursuit of holiness is condemned as legalism, this is a sign of apostasy. would you agree?

Oh, But it is not condemned as legalism, unless actuall legalism is being taught.

the problem is people do not want to discuss obedience, they want to discuss how one is saved . if we do not get that right, we can not go on to other things, we have to stick with milk, and not meat.


another contrast to consider: one of the largest miseries of lawlessness would be the blind deception that I'm such a wretched sinner, when the truth remains that Christ has empowered me to overcome.

Overcoming is no the same as being perfect.

The danger is thinking one has overcome and they have made it when they have not. For then they will be "holier than thou" and think they have done growing, when in reality, they have a long ways to go.




indeed, the legalist is the most wretched of men.

Yes, because they had gods truth in their hands, and let it slip through. Imagine how much more pain they will suffer for eternity.
 

blood_bought

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there probably would be more than three. One of the largest would be that I am not so sinful (I only make screw ups, or mess ups or mistakes) and I always make sure I repent when I make these little boo boo's!

So we see a legalist is twice cursed. One for the 3 points against legalism, and one for the multitued of points of the pysteries of lawlessness, of which they do not even think they partake in.
i would enjoy reading your thoughts on this particular snippet of my post:

"what was the end of the unfaithful servant upon his Master's return? the parable speaks of those that know the Lord's will, but do it not."
 

gb9

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the key mistake here is requirement of works. works are a result of salvation, not a cause.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I posted four verses and people, if they want to, can make their own contrasts/comparisons between those verses I posted and the what the OP stated. It's very telling how you call those verses I posted straw men. Those verses own their own without any commentary from me refute the OP.

The op did not even talk about those verses. You took a conversation and went around it, and did not even discuss the topic which was started.

You need to learn how to discuss things. If you want to discuss the topic at hand, answer his questions, if you want to discuss the 4 verses. there are more than enough threads where they would fit into the discussion.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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i would enjoy reading your thoughts on this particular snippet of my post:

"what was the end of the unfaithful servant upon his Master's return? the parable speaks of those that know the Lord's will, but do it not."
I think scripture says it quite clearly. (if I understand you correctly)

1. Those who sin have never known God (personally) ie, were never saved.
2. Jesus will say to them, depart for I NEVER KNEW YOU who practice lawlessness)


so if the sinner never knew God and God never knew the sinner, how could they have been saved at one time and lost it?

Just because one KNOWS Gods laws. does not mean they KNOW God. or were ever saved, Israel proved this.