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Yeah Ken! It is true that the Muslims do not accept Jesus Christ as the One who was to come, though in the Quran, they only accepted Him as one of the prophets and this is also the same idea the Jews have. So the both of them are not differrent at all!
Yes, the Jews are pushing for the rebuilding of the temple cuz they have not yet still been given understandings to these mysteries. Their eyes are still covered just as they have failed to accept Jesus Christ as the true promised Messiah.
Like you have said, all these fulfillments are like markers that have enabled us arrived somewhere. May the Lord continues to guide us. Stay well and stay blessed.
Psalm 11:4
The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 14:17
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 14:17
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:5
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Revelation 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
K
I have already gone through this in the "when does the rapture occur" thread.
Revelation 11:1-13 shows clearly those events take place here on earth, and I broke it down and showed how it clearly mentions the earthly Jerusalem and the word earth multiple times in those first 13 scriptures. I will break it down for you again if you like, and your mention of Revelation 11:19 is referenced after John had been shown the other events.
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Sir, and the "OUTER COURT" in the same Revelation 11:2? It seems you forgot to read it as well or don`t you see that it is the remaining instruction from verse one.
Now according to your understandings, if the temple and the altar are in heaven, what about the "OUTER COURT" and the "HOLY CITY" (Jerusalem) and the "GENTILES" who were to tread it under foot? Were these "GENTILES" to carry out this act in "HEAVEN" as well?
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With sacrifices, it would be an abomination to the Work of Christ.
It would be empty still, and truly serving no one, for the presence of God is in the Body of Christ, not in any temple made with human hands.
-JGIG
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Rightly said, my friend in Christ. As it is generally said, "and the truth shall set you free". May God add to your knowledge. Thanks!
It would be empty still, and truly serving no one, for the presence of God is in the Body of Christ, not in any temple made with human hands.
-JGIG
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Rightly said, my friend in Christ. As it is generally said, "and the truth shall set you free". May God add to your knowledge. Thanks!
As usual Ken you give here say, and I gave scriptural proof. Just like the proof I gave by scripture to show antichrist is a spirit which works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world as is written. But you insist Antichrist is a man yet to come in the future, which is not based on scripture, but rather the doctrines of men.
You also claim the Prince of this world is not yet cast out of heaven to earth, but I showed you plainly by scripture, even Jesus' own words that you were wrong. You also claim the abomination of desolation has not yet been fulfilled, but I also showed you by scripture what Temple Jesus and His disciples were looking at with their own eyes when the question was asked about it's destruction. But you still cling to the doctrines of men over what the words of God say is true. Wake up!
What is the temple of God Paul was referring to here?
We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”
Paul here is talking about the man of sin being revealed, the son who will go into destruction, who has “that Wicked” spirit working in him. Many believe this to be a single evil man figure is yet to come, but Paul clearly mentions this spirit working in many, and it “the mystery of iniquity already working”
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"
Note, in them, they, them, they all is speaking about more than one man. (but many)
But what about sitting in the Temple of God? I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he said this, as he was also playing off of other parts of scripture in order to do this. In Ezekiel 28:2 “Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:”
The Lord later goes on to say to this “man” in verse 13 “ Thou hast been in the garden of God;” Now we know the Prince of Tyrus was not in the garden of God, but man (Adam) was. But the Lord later goes on to call this man the “covering cherub.” So the message here is twofold.
The Lord is not just speaking to the prince of Tyrus alone, but to the spirit of “that Wicked” which entered into man (Adam) when sin entered into man. (man of sin)
So when you understand the spirit and the sin nature of the devil is working in the heart of man, then we can begin to see what Paul was saying about this “man of sin” sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.
Paul also gave us clue to confirm this message in 1 Corinthians 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
So our bodies are that temple God created for Himself to dwell in by His Spirit, but “that Wicked” spirit entered in, when sin entered in man= “man of sin”
And Paul goes on to say in 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”
So whosoever has “that Wicked” spirit dwelling in them, (the temple of God) him shall God also destroy. (son of perdition) or son who goes into destruction.
You also claim the Prince of this world is not yet cast out of heaven to earth, but I showed you plainly by scripture, even Jesus' own words that you were wrong. You also claim the abomination of desolation has not yet been fulfilled, but I also showed you by scripture what Temple Jesus and His disciples were looking at with their own eyes when the question was asked about it's destruction. But you still cling to the doctrines of men over what the words of God say is true. Wake up!
What is the temple of God Paul was referring to here?
We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”
Paul here is talking about the man of sin being revealed, the son who will go into destruction, who has “that Wicked” spirit working in him. Many believe this to be a single evil man figure is yet to come, but Paul clearly mentions this spirit working in many, and it “the mystery of iniquity already working”
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?[SUP]6 [/SUP]And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"
Note, in them, they, them, they all is speaking about more than one man. (but many)
But what about sitting in the Temple of God? I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he said this, as he was also playing off of other parts of scripture in order to do this. In Ezekiel 28:2 “Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:”
The Lord later goes on to say to this “man” in verse 13 “ Thou hast been in the garden of God;” Now we know the Prince of Tyrus was not in the garden of God, but man (Adam) was. But the Lord later goes on to call this man the “covering cherub.” So the message here is twofold.
The Lord is not just speaking to the prince of Tyrus alone, but to the spirit of “that Wicked” which entered into man (Adam) when sin entered into man. (man of sin)
So when you understand the spirit and the sin nature of the devil is working in the heart of man, then we can begin to see what Paul was saying about this “man of sin” sitting in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God”.
Paul also gave us clue to confirm this message in 1 Corinthians 6:19 “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
So our bodies are that temple God created for Himself to dwell in by His Spirit, but “that Wicked” spirit entered in, when sin entered in man= “man of sin”
And Paul goes on to say in 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.”
So whosoever has “that Wicked” spirit dwelling in them, (the temple of God) him shall God also destroy. (son of perdition) or son who goes into destruction.
Sir, and the "OUTER COURT" in the same Revelation 11:2? It seems you forgot to read it as well or don`t you see that it is the remaining instruction from verse one.
Now according to your understandings, if the temple and the altar are in heaven, what about the "OUTER COURT" and the "HOLY CITY" (Jerusalem) and the "GENTILES" who were to tread it under foot? Were these "GENTILES" to carry out this act in "HEAVEN" as well?
Now according to your understandings, if the temple and the altar are in heaven, what about the "OUTER COURT" and the "HOLY CITY" (Jerusalem) and the "GENTILES" who were to tread it under foot? Were these "GENTILES" to carry out this act in "HEAVEN" as well?
We in this world are outside the heavenly camp, just as Jesus being crucified outside the holy city walls was sign of this same thing.
Hebrews 13:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
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The the angel of the Lord commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the Lord in the threshing floor of Onan the Jebusite. 1Chron.21:18
Read point of the link:
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=1431
Read point of the link:
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=1431
K
No it does not !!!
Revelation 11:1-2 is speaking of a physical temple building in the holy city Jerusalem.
Yes there are two Jerusalem's one being earthly physical city and the other being the spiritual New Jerusalem that does not come down tell after the end times have finished and after Christ's 1.000 year millennial reign. Revelation 11 is not referring to the spiritual, but it is referring to the earthly because those first 2 verses are not to be separated from 3-13 which all takes place on earth.
Let me know when you find that imaginary man called Antichrist sitting in a physical brick and mortar "Temple of God", made with the hands of man. LOL (but I won't hold my breath)
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
K
Let me know when you find that imaginary man called Antichrist sitting in a physical brick and mortar "Temple of God", made with the hands of man. LOL (but I won't hold my breath)
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Once again you use a scripture speaking of the spiritual temple in heaven, but not all scriptures of a temple can be explained away as a spiritual temple. Revelation 11:1-2 clearly is speaking of a physical temple building on earth, and is not speaking of all believers who are the temple. If that was the case it would not have it just placed in Jerusalem, as believers are all over the world.
The last end times figure is not imaginary as Daniel, Jesus, Paul, John all refer to him, and give him titles of beast, man of sin, son of perdition, and prince of this world. There is the spirit of antichrist that is now and has been working in the world for awhile, and there also will be one last end time physical figure.
Even though I disagree vehemently with your view of salvation.....I will side with you on the possiblity of a temple as the Jews have all things ready for a temple, a priesthood trained, a red hiefer bred for sacrifice, all the instruments etc. and it seems a little moronic to think they did all of that and it won't come to fruition.....I still think it will be along the lines of the tabernacle though.....as far as ISIT....he has proven his inability to comprehend as he spiritualizes everything away..even when context proves his error!
I see no difference between a Muslim temple and a Jewish temple. They would be the same thing, in a spiritual and prophetic sense. The OT does not speak of Jews being the only Tribe brought back and restored... but all Tribes...
many of which are currently Muslims.
Is there some spiritual difference between these two religions? Both are cults, the same as Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Should we give Mormons preference also?
Why give one of them some sort of credibility?
Neither knows the True God. Both worship Baal, and call him "God".
Both are mixed blood, and though both claim Abraham as father, neither are Abraham's Seed,
as BOTH are children of Hagar according to Galatians!
This Third Temple is being built NOW!
It is being built, not by human hands, but by God Himself,
Using Living Stones,
With Christ as the Cornerstone, the Stumbling Block, and the Capstone.
If the "Jews" tear down the Dome, and build a new "temple", it is not prophesied in Scripture,
but simply a distraction sent by Satan to deceive. It fulfills nothing, as the Dome is equal to anything that the "Jews" will build, in a prophetic sense.
Ukorin has long been biting at the bit about this topic, but I have held him back. But now I do see what he sees.
This misunderstanding about the "Jews" is very deep, and very twisted.
As a missionary to Israel, I defend and uphold the "Jews",
but many of you do not understand who they are spiritually, and propheticly,
and assume they are the prophetic equivalent of Israel... which is nonsense invented by the enemy.
They are a lost people, in need of Christ. They are born Gentiles.
The only persons born as True Jews, are those born into Christian homes, regardless of race.
If you were converted outside of the home, then you are a converted Gentile, accepted into citizenship with Israel.
If you were converted within the home, then you were born a Jew, and in keeping the Faith, you are a True Jew.
This is the Truth. It is not complicated. All one must do is trust the Word.
The theologies of man are vast and foolishly overreaching what is revealed in Scripture.
Lastly, and to get back to the thread:
The Temple IS defiled. Look at what the Church is viewed as in the media, and you will see how the Living Stones of the Temple are defiled daily.
There is an abomination upon the Altar.
Because of the Eastern Orthodox, we are seen as physically minded spiritualist.
Because of the Popes, we are seen as warmongers.
Because of the modern Catholics, we are seen as perverts.
Because of Westboro Bapists and the like, we are seen as judgemental fools.
Because of Creflo Dollar and the like, we are seen as greedy pigs.
Because of the Toronto Blessing and the like, we are seen as crazed manics.
Because of the Moral Majority, we are seen as political puppets.
Because of our lack of discipline and discipleship, we are seen as hypocrites.
^this is the Abomination. Apostasy! The pig on the altar. The enemy reigning from within the Holy Place!!!
many of which are currently Muslims.
Is there some spiritual difference between these two religions? Both are cults, the same as Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Should we give Mormons preference also?
Why give one of them some sort of credibility?
Neither knows the True God. Both worship Baal, and call him "God".
Both are mixed blood, and though both claim Abraham as father, neither are Abraham's Seed,
as BOTH are children of Hagar according to Galatians!
This Third Temple is being built NOW!
It is being built, not by human hands, but by God Himself,
Using Living Stones,
With Christ as the Cornerstone, the Stumbling Block, and the Capstone.
If the "Jews" tear down the Dome, and build a new "temple", it is not prophesied in Scripture,
but simply a distraction sent by Satan to deceive. It fulfills nothing, as the Dome is equal to anything that the "Jews" will build, in a prophetic sense.
Ukorin has long been biting at the bit about this topic, but I have held him back. But now I do see what he sees.
This misunderstanding about the "Jews" is very deep, and very twisted.
As a missionary to Israel, I defend and uphold the "Jews",
but many of you do not understand who they are spiritually, and propheticly,
and assume they are the prophetic equivalent of Israel... which is nonsense invented by the enemy.
They are a lost people, in need of Christ. They are born Gentiles.
The only persons born as True Jews, are those born into Christian homes, regardless of race.
If you were converted outside of the home, then you are a converted Gentile, accepted into citizenship with Israel.
If you were converted within the home, then you were born a Jew, and in keeping the Faith, you are a True Jew.
This is the Truth. It is not complicated. All one must do is trust the Word.
The theologies of man are vast and foolishly overreaching what is revealed in Scripture.
Lastly, and to get back to the thread:
The Temple IS defiled. Look at what the Church is viewed as in the media, and you will see how the Living Stones of the Temple are defiled daily.
There is an abomination upon the Altar.
Because of the Eastern Orthodox, we are seen as physically minded spiritualist.
Because of the Popes, we are seen as warmongers.
Because of the modern Catholics, we are seen as perverts.
Because of Westboro Bapists and the like, we are seen as judgemental fools.
Because of Creflo Dollar and the like, we are seen as greedy pigs.
Because of the Toronto Blessing and the like, we are seen as crazed manics.
Because of the Moral Majority, we are seen as political puppets.
Because of our lack of discipline and discipleship, we are seen as hypocrites.
^this is the Abomination. Apostasy! The pig on the altar. The enemy reigning from within the Holy Place!!!
I will preemptively state Galatians 3:16, which should answer most of the offenses and questions incoming,
and Ephesians 2:11-22 as a response to many more.
Genesis 17:14, Exodus 12:15,19; 30:32,38; 31:14; Leviticus 7:20-21, 25,27; 17:4,9-10, 14; 18:29; 19:8; and Numbers 15:30-31; EXODUS 12:48!! also, Romans 11:17-24.
^should answer the rest.
and Ephesians 2:11-22 as a response to many more.
Genesis 17:14, Exodus 12:15,19; 30:32,38; 31:14; Leviticus 7:20-21, 25,27; 17:4,9-10, 14; 18:29; 19:8; and Numbers 15:30-31; EXODUS 12:48!! also, Romans 11:17-24.
^should answer the rest.