REBUIDING THE THIRD SOLOMON`S TEMPLE

[KennethC]

The Jews may rebuild their temple, it will not be God's Temple. God's Temple is the Church, and believers are living stones in that Church. Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?

Why would you believe that, as Ezekiel's temple which is also called the Millennial temple will exist during the millennial reign of Christ. Which is an earthly building temple that Christ will reign from, so it will be God's temple.

People want to spiritualize all the new testament especially those about the temple just because of the scriptures that call us the temple of God. But nowhere in the bible does it say God rejects the ideal of having an earthly building as a temple, as a matter of fact the scriptures say and show the opposite.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

People want to spiritualize all the new testament especially those about the temple just because of the scriptures that call us the temple of God. But nowhere in the bible does it say God rejects the ideal of having an earthly building as a temple, as a matter of fact the scriptures say and show the opposite.

You and others are trying to "carnalize" the spiritual words of God in order to make it fit into the carnal doctrines of men. We have even give scriptural proof of what, and where the "Temple of God" is, and you reject it.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

.....as far as ISIT....he has proven his inability to comprehend as he spiritualizes everything away..even when context proves his error!

The first man is of the earth, and speaks of the earth, because he only knows what he knows naturally.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

 

[Is]

I see no difference between a Muslim temple and a Jewish temple. They would be the same thing, in a spiritual and prophetic sense. The OT does not speak of Jews being the only Tribe brought back and restored... but all Tribes...
many of which are currently Muslims.
Is there some spiritual difference between these two religions? Both are cults, the same as Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Should we give Mormons preference also?
Why give one of them some sort of credibility?
Neither knows the True God. Both worship Baal, and call him "God".
Both are mixed blood, and though both claim Abraham as father, neither are Abraham's Seed,
as BOTH are children of Hagar according to Galatians!

This Third Temple is being built NOW!
It is being built, not by human hands, but by God Himself,
Using Living Stones,
With Christ as the Cornerstone, the Stumbling Block, and the Capstone.

If the "Jews" tear down the Dome, and build a new "temple", it is not prophesied in Scripture,
but simply a distraction sent by Satan to deceive. It fulfills nothing, as the Dome is equal to anything that the "Jews" will build, in a prophetic sense.

Ukorin has long been biting at the bit about this topic, but I have held him back. But now I do see what he sees.
This misunderstanding about the "Jews" is very deep, and very twisted.

As a missionary to Israel, I defend and uphold the "Jews",
but many of you do not understand who they are spiritually, and propheticly,
and assume they are the prophetic equivalent of Israel... which is nonsense invented by the enemy.

They are a lost people, in need of Christ. They are born Gentiles.

The only persons born as True Jews, are those born into Christian homes, regardless of race.
If you were converted outside of the home, then you are a converted Gentile, accepted into citizenship with Israel.
If you were converted within the home, then you were born a Jew, and in keeping the Faith, you are a True Jew.

This is the Truth. It is not complicated. All one must do is trust the Word.
The theologies of man are vast and foolishly overreaching what is revealed in Scripture.

Lastly, and to get back to the thread:
The Temple IS defiled. Look at what the Church is viewed as in the media, and you will see how the Living Stones of the Temple are defiled daily.
There is an abomination upon the Altar.
Because of the Eastern Orthodox, we are seen as physically minded spiritualist.
Because of the Popes, we are seen as warmongers.
Because of the modern Catholics, we are seen as perverts.
Because of Westboro Bapists and the like, we are seen as judgemental fools.
Because of Creflo Dollar and the like, we are seen as greedy pigs.
Because of the Toronto Blessing and the like, we are seen as crazed manics.
Because of the Moral Majority, we are seen as political puppets.
Because of our lack of discipline and discipleship, we are seen as hypocrites.
^this is the Abomination. Apostasy! The pig on the altar. The enemy reigning from within the Holy Place!!!

BOTH are children of Hagar according to Galatians!

No, Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid (servant) Hagar and one by a freewoman Sarah.

 

[dcontroversal]

The first man is of the earth, and speaks of the earth, because he only knows what he knows naturally.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

You know...what you say means jack in the grand scheme of things as you do not have the market cornered on the word of God and your inability to understand the physical aspect of fulfilled scriptures leads you into error many times.....you can point all you want and spiritualize everything into the word all you want, but it will not change the facts!....Your very name states IN sprirt and IN truth......and Jesus USED the PHYSICAL all the time to teach the SPIRITUAL...a concept that you cannot grasp because you have gone to seed on spirituality!

 

[dcontroversal]

The first man is of the earth, and speaks of the earth, because he only knows what he knows naturally.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Another fine twist of context and taking scripture out of context!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You know...what you say means jack in the grand scheme of things as you do not have the market cornered on the word of God and your inability to understand the physical aspect of fulfilled scriptures leads you into error many times.....you can point all you want and spiritualize everything into the word all you want, but it will not change the facts!....Your very name states IN sprirt and IN truth......and Jesus USED the PHYSICAL all the time to teach the SPIRITUAL...a concept that you cannot grasp because you have gone to seed on spirituality!

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Another fine twist of context and taking scripture out of context!

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 

[SolidGround]

No, Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid (servant) Hagar and one by a freewoman Sarah.

And which mother is of Jerusalem? Galatians makes clear the mother of earthly Jerusalem.
Ah, now you see, it is Hagar.
The mother of modern Judaism is not Sarah.
Modern Judaism IS NOT the OT religion. It is a cult division, out of the religion of Abraham and Moses, but not part of it.

The Jews and Arabs are of the same spiritual race, and their temples, mosques and synagogues are worshipping the same Baal.

This is why I minister to them, because they think they are found, but they are lost.

 

[dcontroversal]

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Your not Paul, nor are you inspired and this was applicable to Paul and his preaching not yours....

 

[SolidGround]

Is Judaism really a child of Sarah, the freewoman,
or a slave to the law, just like the children of Islam?

Is Sharia not just as close to the Word, if not closer, than Halakhah?

Both go by the letter,
and die by it,
while claiming life.

Both twisting the same Word of God.
Both adding to the Word.
Both rejecting the Word, and rejecting the Son.

 

[KennethC]

You and others are trying to "carnalize" the spiritual words of God in order to make it fit into the carnal doctrines of men. We have even give scriptural proof of what, and where the "Temple of God" is, and you reject it.

Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

That is not how a carnal mind works so to state we are being carnally minded is false.....
A carnal mind is one who believes they can serve the Lord and serve their sins of the flesh as the same time, not a person who lines up events in the world to match the biblical scriptures. Lord Jesus Himself even said He will give us signs to look for to know the time is near.

Placing events of the world to match bible prophecy is not being carnally minded !!!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That is not how a carnal mind works so to state we are being carnally minded is false.....
A carnal mind is one who believes they can serve the Lord and serve their sins of the flesh as the same time, not a person who lines up events in the world to match the biblical scriptures. Lord Jesus Himself even said He will give us signs to look for to know the time is near.

Placing events of the world to match bible prophecy is not being carnally minded !!!

The carnal mind believes in the doctrines of carnally minded men, and that is exactly what you are trying to promote. Your not matching Bible prophecy but rather twisting the true spiritual meaning of it to conform to the doctrines of carnally minded men.

Again....As usual Ken you give here say, and I gave scriptural proof. Just like the proof I gave by scripture to show antichrist is a spirit which works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world as is written. But you insist Antichrist is a single individual man yet to come in the future, which is not based on scripture, but rather the doctrines of men.

You also claim the Prince of this world is not yet cast out of heaven to earth, but I showed you plainly by scripture, even Jesus' own words that you were wrong. You also claim the abomination of desolation has not yet been fulfilled, but I also showed you by scripture what Temple Jesus and His disciples were looking at with their own eyes when the question was asked about it's destruction. But you still cling to the doctrines of men over what the words of God say is true. Wake up!

 

[Is]

And which mother is of Jerusalem? Galatians makes clear the mother of earthly Jerusalem.
Ah, now you see, it is Hagar.
The mother of modern Judaism is not Sarah.
Modern Judaism IS NOT the OT religion. It is a cult division, out of the religion of Abraham and Moses, but not part of it.

The Jews and Arabs are of the same spiritual race, and their temples, mosques and synagogues are worshipping the same Baal.

This is why I minister to them, because they think they are found, but they are lost.

The passage in Galatians has nothing to do with Judaism, it has to do with being in spiritual bondage under the Mosaic Law.

Jews and Arabs are not the same spiritually, they are Semetic peoples but spiritually they are not the same.

 

[royalscot]

who s temple was jesus standing in when he said.

jesus was standing in what temple of stone. when he was alive.

18 So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?"19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."20 The Jews then said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.2



22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.Revelation 21

he is standing in the third temple. of stone. he is not standing in the second temple or it would read 500 year old temple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple 20 - 18 bc

The accession of Cyrus the Great of Persia in 538 BCE made the re-establishment of the city of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Temple possible.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] According to the Bible, when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem following a decree from Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4, 2 Chron 36:22-23), construction started at the original site of Solomon's Temple, which had remained a devastated heap during the approximately 70 years of captivity (Dan. 9:1-2). After a relatively brief halt due to opposition from peoples who had filled the vacuum during the Jewish captivity (Ezra 4), work resumed c. 521 BCE under the Persian King Darius the Great (Ezra 5) and was completed during the sixth year of his reign (c. 516 BCE), with the temple dedication taking place the following year.
Flavius Josephus records that Herod the Great completely rebuilt the Temple in 20-18 BCE, even going so far as to replace the foundation stones and to smooth off the surface of the Temple Mount. This Temple became known as Herod's Temple.
The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and its Temple in 70 CE under Titus, decisively ending the Great Jewish Revolt that had begun four years earlier. The lower levels of the Western Wall form part of the few surviving remains of Herod's complex.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Traditional rabbinic sources state that the Second Temple stood for 420 years and based on the 2nd-century work Seder Olam Rabbah, placed construction in 350 BCE (3408 AM), 166 years later than secular estimates, and destruction in 70 CE (3829 AM).[SUP][4]




so you look at a 4th temple if they rebuild. [/SUP]

 

[KennethC]

The carnal mind believes in the doctrines of carnally minded men, and that is exactly what you are trying to promote. Your not matching Bible prophecy but rather twisting the true spiritual meaning of it to conform to the doctrines of carnally minded men.

Again....As usual Ken you give here say, and I gave scriptural proof. Just like the proof I gave by scripture to show antichrist is a spirit which works in many deceivers, and has already come into the world as is written. But you insist Antichrist is a single individual man yet to come in the future, which is not based on scripture, but rather the doctrines of men.

You also claim the Prince of this world is not yet cast out of heaven to earth, but I showed you plainly by scripture, even Jesus' own words that you were wrong. You also claim the abomination of desolation has not yet been fulfilled, but I also showed you by scripture what Temple Jesus and His disciples were looking at with their own eyes when the question was asked about it's destruction. But you still cling to the doctrines of men over what the words of God say is true. Wake up!

No you have shown by your understanding of scripture what you think it says...........

The A.O.D. was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. and was not being referred to as the physical temple at that time, nor was it referring to the body of believers as the temple.

You have to take all the passages from Daniel chapters 8-12, Jesus words, 2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation especially chapter 13 to understand what the A.O.D. is as they all parallel and work together to unlock this. The A.O.D. is the setting of an abomination inside the temple of God (earthly building temple). Daniel compares this to the abomination that happened in his time of the defiling of the earthly temple then.

It was the reform theology that changed this and placed this A.O.D. as the defiling of the Church (body of believers), because they deny the prophecies and promises that still apply to physical Israel. Those unfulfilled prophecies and those promises still apply to day and can not be changed to not exist or already been fulfilled....

Once again carnally minded that Paul is speaking of is one who wants to try and serve both the Spirit and the flesh (sins).
It has nothing to do with taking God's prophecies in His word and matching them up with world events, it what you say was true then Jesus giving us worldly signs to look for would have been wrong. He did give us worldly signs to look for to know that the time is near, even though you continue to want to spiritualize everything away.....

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No you have shown by your understanding of scripture what you think it says...........

The A.O.D. was not fulfilled in 70 A.D. and was not being referred to as the physical temple at that time, nor was it referring to the body of believers as the temple.

You have to take all the passages from Daniel chapters 8-12, Jesus words, 2 Thessalonians 2, and Revelation especially chapter 13 to understand what the A.O.D. is as they all parallel and work together to unlock this. The A.O.D. is the setting of an abomination inside the temple of God (earthly building temple). Daniel compares this to the abomination that happened in his time of the defiling of the earthly temple then.

It was the reform theology that changed this and placed this A.O.D. as the defiling of the Church (body of believers), because they deny the prophecies and promises that still apply to physical Israel. Those unfulfilled prophecies and those promises still apply to day and can not be changed to not exist or already been fulfilled....

Once again carnally minded that Paul is speaking of is one who wants to try and serve both the Spirit and the flesh (sins).
It has nothing to do with taking God's prophecies in His word and matching them up with world events, it what you say was true then Jesus giving us worldly signs to look for would have been wrong. He did give us worldly signs to look for to know that the time is near, even though you continue to want to spiritualize everything away.....

Ken, you are the one who ignores the words of God and by trying to say the AOD is not yet fulfilled, and the Temple to be destroyed is yet future, with the coming of the Prince of this world yet future, with the coming of a man called Antichrist yet future. This is false doctrine, and the doctrine of carnally minded men. I have given you multiple verses of scripture to prove this doctrine is false.

Again Ken notice what Temple the apostles and Jesus were looking at with their own eyes, when Jesus went on to tell them of AOD prophesied by Daniel and the destruction of the Temple they were looking at.

Mark 13:1-413 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

So Jesus was telling them about the destruction of the Temple they were looking at with their eyes, but in Matthews account the question and the prophecy is twofold, not only about the AOD and destruction of the temple, but also about the end of the world.

Matthew 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now to Luke's account.

Luke 21:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

[royalscot]

he is standing in the third temple. of stone. he is not standing in the second temple or it would read 500 year old temple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple 20 - 18 bc

The accession of Cyrus the Great of Persia in 538 BCE made the re-establishment of the city of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Temple possible.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] According to the Bible, when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem following a decree from Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4, 2 Chron 36:22-23), construction started at the original site of Solomon's Temple, which had remained a devastated heap during the approximately 70 years of captivity (Dan. 9:1-2). After a relatively brief halt due to opposition from peoples who had filled the vacuum during the Jewish captivity (Ezra 4), work resumed c. 521 BCE under the Persian King Darius the Great (Ezra 5) and was completed during the sixth year of his reign (c. 516 BCE), with the temple dedication taking place the following year.
Flavius Josephus records that Herod the Great completely rebuilt the Temple in 20-18 BCE, even going so far as to replace the foundation stones and to smooth off the surface of the Temple Mount. This Temple became known as Herod's Temple.
The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and its Temple in 70 CE under Titus, decisively ending the Great Jewish Revolt that had begun four years earlier. The lower levels of the Western Wall form part of the few surviving remains of Herod's complex.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Traditional rabbinic sources state that the Second Temple stood for 420 years and based on the 2nd-century work Seder Olam Rabbah, placed construction in 350 BCE (3408 AM), 166 years later than secular estimates, and destruction in 70 CE (3829 AM).[SUP][4]




so you look at a 4th temple if they rebuild. [/SUP]

was doing some research eze chapter 40 -44 returned to Jerusalem around 537 but temple was not fully finished till 515 bc

with about 17 year gap. then this temple never took 47 years to build, from the quote of john 2.


when king herods temple started at round 19 bc was mostly done by 9 ad but was not fully complete till 64ad.


18 So the Jews said to him, "What sign do you show us for doing these things?"19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."20 The Jews then said, "It has takenforty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?"21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.2
John 2

 

[Is]

he is standing in the third temple. of stone. he is not standing in the second temple or it would read 500 year old temple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple 20 - 18 bc

The accession of Cyrus the Great of Persia in 538 BCE made the re-establishment of the city of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Temple possible.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] According to the Bible, when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem following a decree from Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4, 2 Chron 36:22-23), construction started at the original site of Solomon's Temple, which had remained a devastated heap during the approximately 70 years of captivity (Dan. 9:1-2). After a relatively brief halt due to opposition from peoples who had filled the vacuum during the Jewish captivity (Ezra 4), work resumed c. 521 BCE under the Persian King Darius the Great (Ezra 5) and was completed during the sixth year of his reign (c. 516 BCE), with the temple dedication taking place the following year.
Flavius Josephus records that Herod the Great completely rebuilt the Temple in 20-18 BCE, even going so far as to replace the foundation stones and to smooth off the surface of the Temple Mount. This Temple became known as Herod's Temple.
The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and its Temple in 70 CE under Titus, decisively ending the Great Jewish Revolt that had begun four years earlier. The lower levels of the Western Wall form part of the few surviving remains of Herod's complex.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Traditional rabbinic sources state that the Second Temple stood for 420 years and based on the 2nd-century work Seder Olam Rabbah, placed construction in 350 BCE (3408 AM), 166 years later than secular estimates, and destruction in 70 CE (3829 AM).[SUP][4]




so you look at a 4th temple if they rebuild. [/SUP]

No, He's basicly standing in the remodeled temple of Herod, the second temple.

 

[JimmieD]

No, He's basicly standing in the remodeled temple of Herod, the second temple.

Josephus said that Herod removed the 2nd temple, he replaced the very foundations.