Question: How can you justify taking the bible literally when it says all of the thin

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If you take the bible literally you would need to become a mass murderer. I don't see how you could possibly justify taking the bible literally.

Before you say that my arguments are invalid because they are in the Old Testament read
Mathew 5:17-19 it says that everything in the old testament applies according to Jesus.

Leviticus 25:44-46 It says to enslave people that worship other gods.

Numbers 15:33-36 says you should kill people that work on Sunday.

Exodus 21:15-17 If your children curse at you you have to kill them.

Exodus 21: 7-8 it's ok to sell your daughter

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a woman doesn't shout loud enough when she's raped you have to kill her.

1timothy 2:12 woman can not hold authority or be in charge of men.

Mathew 9:22 you only get sick because you don't have faith. Apparently germs aren't real.

Luke 12:51-53 Jesus didn't come to bring peace he came to pit family members against each other.
 
Budman

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Is this a cut/paste from an atheist site?

All of this has been answered a million times over. Do a web search.

But my guess is, you didn't really come here looking for answers.
 
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Dear Shakes:

I was just talking about this just a few minutes ago in another thread. The best resource you will find on this is here:

https://www.gci.org/bible/matthew517

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses

They have many articles on the topic that might help give you Godly understanding (If that is what you are seeking). But if you do not want that, then no amount of explanation that defends God's Word is ever going to help you to see.
 
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Re: Question: How can you justify taking the bible literally when it says all of the

Shakes said:
If you take the bible literally you would need to become a mass murderer. I don't see how you could possibly justify taking the bible literally.

Before you say that my arguments are invalid because they are in the Old Testament read
Mathew 5:17-19 it says that everything in the old testament applies according to Jesus.

Leviticus 25:44-46 It says to enslave people that worship other gods.

Numbers 15:33-36 says you should kill people that work on Sunday.

Exodus 21:15-17 If your children curse at you you have to kill them.

Exodus 21: 7-8 it's ok to sell your daughter

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a woman doesn't shout loud enough when she's raped you have to kill her.

1timothy 2:12 woman can not hold authority or be in charge of men.

Mathew 9:22 you only get sick because you don't have faith. Apparently germs aren't real.

Luke 12:51-53 Jesus didn't come to bring peace he came to pit family members against each other.
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Because I didn't plug-and-play a list from somewhere. I read it in context and know what you're simply ignoring in context. (Well, not so much ignoring as simply omitting it to prove-a-point.)
 
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Nope not cut and paste I typed it myself. Glad your willing to be so helpful
 
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I didn't plug and play from a list from somewhere I actually read each one myself and there's no real room for interpretation. Look them up yourself before you jump to conclusions.
 
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Nope not cut and paste I typed it myself. Glad your willing to be so helpful
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Please forgive others here who appear to come off sounding as a little hateful or rude. My suggestion is to pray and ask God to show you the truth on this matter (And he will show you). I do not know how many times God has helped me personally to understand a verse that seemed almost impossible to understand. For believers are called to study to show themselves approved unto God (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV). Do you want to be a believer in Jesus Christ or do you simply want to tear down God's Word? Please take note that if you do try and disprove God's Word, that many believers have already given sound explanations to their disbelief (So you are not really providing any new kind of argument or anything that has not been answered before). You also have to take note that there are tons of evidences that also back up God's Word, too.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...cal-evidences-supporting-truth-gods-word.html
(Side Note: The link I provided here is not a debate thread but a thread about believers sharing evidences that back up God's Word).
 
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Really? Answered a million times over? I somehow find it hard that anyone could rationally justify killing people for such petty things.
 
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Nope not cut and paste I typed it myself. Glad your willing to be so helpful
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Sure you did. (And that is not a sarcastic sentence. I really believe you did make this yourself.) It's still plug-and-play. You took verses out of context and made them to fit your very narrow prove-a-point, as if no one anywhere could ever put them back into context.

Here's the problem. I've seen you often enough -- not you, but your kind - to know putting them back into context is going to take you all the way up to simply saying "your wrong," having a good pout, and then plug-and-play your next prove-a-point over and over again. Stupid thing is, to do this you read it in context so even you know this is nothing but bologna too. I'm not dumber than you. (I may not be smarter either, but this doesn't require a lot of brain cells to figure it out.)

How do I know you? I married someone who used to be just like you. I just don't have the patience of the Christian woman he played this on to play this game with you for weeks and weeks on end. In my defense, she talked it out. I talk faster than I type, and I have a life, so, no... just not playing your game. :D
 
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Shakes said:
Nope not cut and paste I typed it myself. Glad your willing to be so helpful
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You jumped in here accusing - not seeking.

If you take the bible literally you would need to become a mass murderer. I don't see how you could possibly justify taking the bible literally.
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It's rather obvious what your agenda is.
 
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I didn't plug and play from a list from somewhere I actually read each one myself and there's no real room for interpretation. Look them up yourself before you jump to conclusions.
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I've been a Christian since 1972. Really? You don't think I know the context? Alas, this is your double-dog dare you. Too childish.
 
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Shakes said:
Really? Answered a million times over? I somehow find it hard that anyone could rationally justify killing people for such petty things.
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I'm going to take some good advice and not feed a troll.
 
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Shakes said:
Really? Answered a million times over? I somehow find it hard that anyone could rationally justify killing people for such petty things.
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Well, again, I want to stress that I do not approve of other believer's wrong behavior towards you here. They should be speaking to you ln love liek a believer is supposed to be doing.

Anyways, as for your first point: Well, the words "million times over" is a metaphorical expression. For I am sure you yourself have said something similar in your life and did not really mean it to be taken literally as talking about a million. Second, The church is forbidden in taking life. They are commanded by God to love their enemies and to pray for them. We are to bless those that curse us. Jesus said to turn the other cheek if somebody smites you. We are not to repay evil for evil but we are to conquer evil with good. For believers today are under a New Covenant with God in Jesus Christ.Israel was a political power or nation where God was to be their King. This nation was literally supposed to be the arm of God.

The church is not a political power or nation like the Israelite Nation during the Old Testament times. Yes, it is true. God did command the Israelites to wipe out children. But you have to understand the context and situation, though. God did not just tell them to kill only children. No doubt many of these children were damaged by the horrible sinful ways of their parents. These children no doubt would have corrupted the Israelites with the sin that they had learned from their parents. These children also probably carried many diseases like the animals because many of them were sexually abused in horrible pagan rituals to false gods, too. So the health of the Israelites was at risk. Also, some of these tribes attacked the Israelites in a cowardly fashion from behind (Where the woman and children stayed). No doubt, the Israelites children were probably killed at times during these battles. Can you imagine if your child was killed by evil people? What if your best friend's child was killed, too? How would you feel?

For example: What if a bunch of children today had let loose a deadly virus inside a mountain and if one of them had gotten out, they would in effect put the whole world at risk in being killed. Would the nearby containment team be wrong for shutting them inside the mountain? Would the President of the United States be wrong for ordering a missile strike against that mountain if he knew that one of those children was about to get out (Thereby killing most everyone on the planet)?This is similar to what God was doing with the Israelites. Except the deadly disease was sin and infection that would lead the hearts of the Israelites away from God and put at risk the line of the Messiah which was to save all mankind by dying on the cross for man's sins.As for God taking life: Again, you have to understand that God taking life is not the same as a man taking life. They are in no way the same thing. God created all life. Man did not create all life. God owns all of creation. Man does not own all of creation. God decides who ultimately lives and who dies in this life. Man does not ultimately decide who lives and dies within this life. For even believers die. However, they go to be with God, though. Whereas the unbeliever is placed in a prison and is eventually destroyed in the Lake of Fire
 
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Re: Question: How can you justify taking the bible literally when it says all of the

The bible has literal history, and poetry, songs, proverbs, letters, prophecy etc

you also cannot interpret the bible outside the context of when it was written, and who the audience was who received it.

You have to look at the bible as a whole book - broken down into 2 testaments and then separated even further. If you actually start in the Gospel of John and work your way through that, it simplifies God's plan revealed through Scripture.
 
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Re: Question: How can you justify taking the bible literally when it says all of the

Please stop calling people trolls. Yes, people are sinful and they need Christ, but please do not call them something that is associated with being a monster. That is not Christ like or loving. They are people in need of God's love.
 
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There is no out of context. Read it yourself. Read as many verses before or after it. It's not out of context that what it says and that's what it means.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Please stop calling people trolls. Yes, people are sinful and they need Christ, but please do not call them something that is associated with being a monster. That is not Christ like or loving. They are people in need of God's love.
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Matthew 7, NASB
5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
 
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Re: Question: How can you justify taking the bible literally when it says all of the

So what are you gonna do Shakes?
 
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Jason I appreciate that you came to me with an explanation instead of an attack like everyone else. Honestly you hear about loving Christians and that's not what I've seen. I came here without attacking anyone simply asking questions and the response I got has really turned me off other than your reply.
 
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