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Skillet played a concert in my school in Ocean City, Maryland..they were awesome! awesome..but, my mom, like most all legalistic Christians, think the same thing....satanism!!!!!! If it isn't in a hymnbook, or sung by someone that looks like a CHRISTIAN or uses drums and 'weird" instruments like those in a rock 'n roll band..then of course, it is satanic! This has been going on for decades..and it shows NO sign of stopping.
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For me, I love talent. When I listen to music, I hear the guitar do amazing things, I hear voices that pitch somewhere that should not be possible. I hear a drummer do things that boggles my mind.
Pearl Jam is probably one of my favs, and I honestly could not sing along to the words.
But christians will tell me that I am being influenced by the devil if i listen to it.
Pearl Jam is probably one of my favs, and I honestly could not sing along to the words.
But christians will tell me that I am being influenced by the devil if i listen to it.
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The age of condemning songs based on the style of music it's set to
is an age quickly dying out.
Praise God!
I can play 'Holy Holy Holy' in my congregation, set to a reggae style, and there is no problem, but only uplifted praise to the Lord.
Soon, this debate about style will turn to a more productive approach: the content.
As for secular music... it really does affect us, and negatively.
I know many who reject this,
but if you listen to pop radio all day, you are subliminally aligning your heart and mind with the values of pop culture.
"Give it to me, I'm worth it"
Arrogance, pride, sexuality, greed... all sung about as if they are good things.
If you listen to grunge radio all day, you align yourself with grunge values (which are basically the book of Ecclesiastes, minus any redemptive hope... and add in the need of removing mind from body to find happiness... through meditation or medication[drugs]... grunge is philosophically a lot like Stoicism, but with a separate set of moral constraints).
Secular heavy metal has too many subgenres to sum up as a whole, but rebellion is a common theme.
By listening to these thoughts regularly, and even idolizing them, we become them.
Look at people who are fans of trapster music (modern hip hop). They dress the same, act the same, and believe all the same lies, regardless of race, culture, or upbringing. Their outward flaws, that we all recognize as ridiculous, are not because of the style of music, but the principles preached to them daily through the lyrics.
is an age quickly dying out.
Praise God!
I can play 'Holy Holy Holy' in my congregation, set to a reggae style, and there is no problem, but only uplifted praise to the Lord.
Soon, this debate about style will turn to a more productive approach: the content.
As for secular music... it really does affect us, and negatively.
I know many who reject this,
but if you listen to pop radio all day, you are subliminally aligning your heart and mind with the values of pop culture.
"Give it to me, I'm worth it"
Arrogance, pride, sexuality, greed... all sung about as if they are good things.
If you listen to grunge radio all day, you align yourself with grunge values (which are basically the book of Ecclesiastes, minus any redemptive hope... and add in the need of removing mind from body to find happiness... through meditation or medication[drugs]... grunge is philosophically a lot like Stoicism, but with a separate set of moral constraints).
Secular heavy metal has too many subgenres to sum up as a whole, but rebellion is a common theme.
By listening to these thoughts regularly, and even idolizing them, we become them.
Look at people who are fans of trapster music (modern hip hop). They dress the same, act the same, and believe all the same lies, regardless of race, culture, or upbringing. Their outward flaws, that we all recognize as ridiculous, are not because of the style of music, but the principles preached to them daily through the lyrics.
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The thing that is obviously wrong about Christian metal is the fact that you cannot tell that type of music from the music of the world. It sounds exactly the same as regular Heavy Metal. Whenever I turn thru the channels, I can actually tell when I hear a Christian music radio station by the style of the music. Heavy Metal is just a bunch of noise and aggression. God does not call us to be aggressive in spirit but he calls us to love. He also calls us to be ye holy and separate and distinct from the world, too. Listening to music that sounds no different than what the world listens to does not make one seem as if they are separate, holy and distinct.
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," (2 Corinthians 6:17).
"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," (2 Corinthians 6:17).
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I won't fight you on this. there are a lot of Christians who don't study and can be influenced by a lot of worldly things.
I think more about the Christians that make this type of thing their "cause" or "Passion." they spend countless hours and do intricate studies on how music subliminally infiltrates peoples mind.......................And miss out studying doctrine and how not to be influenced by it!
They themselves don't have doctrine in their soul because their "cause"took them away from the truth and the best they can do is condemn others for doing it because they themselves don't have the tools to properly discern.
We who have the "cause" to study doctrine, have the tools to listen to what we like and not be influenced by a message from the world.
I think more about the Christians that make this type of thing their "cause" or "Passion." they spend countless hours and do intricate studies on how music subliminally infiltrates peoples mind.......................And miss out studying doctrine and how not to be influenced by it!
They themselves don't have doctrine in their soul because their "cause"took them away from the truth and the best they can do is condemn others for doing it because they themselves don't have the tools to properly discern.
We who have the "cause" to study doctrine, have the tools to listen to what we like and not be influenced by a message from the world.
Heavy metal Christian rock star Tim Lambesis admitted last to hiring a hit man to kill his estranged wife. He was sentenced to six years in prison for paying to have Meggan Murphy Lambesis murdered.
Here's the back-story: Lambesis was in a custody dispute with his wife over their three children. According to charging documents in the criminal case, in May 2013 he asked a personal trainer at his gym if he knew anyone who could kill his wife. The trainer called the cops and an undercover sting led to his arrest.
Now, the founder of As I Lay Dying is now making another confession—the Grammy-nominated Christian metal singer says he's not really a Christian at all.
In an interview with Alternative Press, reporter Ryan J. Downey asked Lambesis a pointed question about a YouTube video in which the rocker discussed a new side project called Pyrithion. Lambesis described it as "satanic."
"I remember watching the video at the time and noticing you never gave the easy answer: 'Of course not. I'm a Christian!' You knew people thought of you as a Christian. Weren't you lying by omission?" Downy asked.
Here's where the admission comes:
"Yes. If you say, 'This is what I believe, you can count on this. If you believe the same things, I'm on your team.' A lot of Christian parents said, 'Yes, you can buy this As I Lay Dying CD, because they're a Christian band.' They don't even think to actually check the lyrics," Lambesis says. "So when you change your views, you kind of owe it to the fans to be honest.
"As far as the video I did explaining Pyrithion's lyrics ... I was trying to put out a fire. I was afraid it would affect As I Lay Dying sales, which would affect my overall income. I was trying to put out the fire by saying the easiest thing, 'I'm not a satanist!' Truthfully, I was an atheist. The 'strategy' I had at the time was cowardly. Two of the songs on that record were about coming to grips with the idea that life has no purpose, no meaning. These were negative themes I wasn't 'allowed' to deal with in As I Lay Dying songs. I thought making As I Lay Dying darker would be bad for my career. That was my thinking."
But the revelation becomes perhaps even more disturbing, when Lambesis says As I Lay Dying has toured with more "Christian bands" who actually aren't Christians than bands that are. In 12 years of touring with As I Lay Dying, he estimates only one in 10 Christian bands he toured with were actually Christians.
"I actually wasn't the first guy in As I Lay Dying to stop being a Christian. In fact, I think I was the third. The two who remained kind of stopped talking about it, and then I'm pretty sure they dropped it, too. We talked about whether to keep taking money from the 'Christian market,' '' Lambesis said. "We had this bizarrely 'noble' thing, like, 'Well, we're not passing along any bad ideas. We're just singing about real-life stuff. Those kids need to hear about real life, because they live in a bubble.' "
Source:
Heavy Metal Christian Rock Star Tim Lambesis: 'I'm an Atheist' — Charisma News
Here's the back-story: Lambesis was in a custody dispute with his wife over their three children. According to charging documents in the criminal case, in May 2013 he asked a personal trainer at his gym if he knew anyone who could kill his wife. The trainer called the cops and an undercover sting led to his arrest.
Now, the founder of As I Lay Dying is now making another confession—the Grammy-nominated Christian metal singer says he's not really a Christian at all.
In an interview with Alternative Press, reporter Ryan J. Downey asked Lambesis a pointed question about a YouTube video in which the rocker discussed a new side project called Pyrithion. Lambesis described it as "satanic."
"I remember watching the video at the time and noticing you never gave the easy answer: 'Of course not. I'm a Christian!' You knew people thought of you as a Christian. Weren't you lying by omission?" Downy asked.
Here's where the admission comes:
"Yes. If you say, 'This is what I believe, you can count on this. If you believe the same things, I'm on your team.' A lot of Christian parents said, 'Yes, you can buy this As I Lay Dying CD, because they're a Christian band.' They don't even think to actually check the lyrics," Lambesis says. "So when you change your views, you kind of owe it to the fans to be honest.
"As far as the video I did explaining Pyrithion's lyrics ... I was trying to put out a fire. I was afraid it would affect As I Lay Dying sales, which would affect my overall income. I was trying to put out the fire by saying the easiest thing, 'I'm not a satanist!' Truthfully, I was an atheist. The 'strategy' I had at the time was cowardly. Two of the songs on that record were about coming to grips with the idea that life has no purpose, no meaning. These were negative themes I wasn't 'allowed' to deal with in As I Lay Dying songs. I thought making As I Lay Dying darker would be bad for my career. That was my thinking."
But the revelation becomes perhaps even more disturbing, when Lambesis says As I Lay Dying has toured with more "Christian bands" who actually aren't Christians than bands that are. In 12 years of touring with As I Lay Dying, he estimates only one in 10 Christian bands he toured with were actually Christians.
"I actually wasn't the first guy in As I Lay Dying to stop being a Christian. In fact, I think I was the third. The two who remained kind of stopped talking about it, and then I'm pretty sure they dropped it, too. We talked about whether to keep taking money from the 'Christian market,' '' Lambesis said. "We had this bizarrely 'noble' thing, like, 'Well, we're not passing along any bad ideas. We're just singing about real-life stuff. Those kids need to hear about real life, because they live in a bubble.' "
Source:
Heavy Metal Christian Rock Star Tim Lambesis: 'I'm an Atheist' — Charisma News
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I don't "study" music psychology or anything. I just love music, and see how it affects people,
especially how it affects the Christian maturity of kids in my youth group.
I also see people changing what music they listen to right before big life changes, like cheating on their spouse. That is one that I can testify about on three separate occasions.
We have defenses given us through the Word of God... but when we intentionally idolize the product of the enemy, we are letting down our defenses.
especially how it affects the Christian maturity of kids in my youth group.
I also see people changing what music they listen to right before big life changes, like cheating on their spouse. That is one that I can testify about on three separate occasions.
We have defenses given us through the Word of God... but when we intentionally idolize the product of the enemy, we are letting down our defenses.
Why do the religious rock and rollers not only desire to look and sound like the world but also desire to be accepted by the world? They want to play on MTV and get their songs high on the secular and gospel charts. The Lord Jesus Christ said in John 15:19,20 "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. It they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you;...". We also read in 2 Tim 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution". The previous verses state that Christians will not be loved and accepted by the world because the world in general rejects the Lord Jesus Christ. "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather that light, because their deeds were evil" (John 3:19).
In light of the Word of God does it not follow to reason that true godly music that worships and exalts the Lord Jesus Christ will be rejected by the world? Music that calls people to repentance, holiness, separation, and total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ will not be popular in the eyes of a Christ-rejecting world.
Now what is the purpose of music? Music has two purposes: 1) to worship and glorify God; 2) To edify and build up Christians. The Word of God says: "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord" (Eph 5:19). "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord" (Col 3:16).
Heavy Metal really doesn't do that. It's aggressive in spirit and it is not full of grace.
RELIGIOUS ROCK... The music of devils in the CHURCH!!!
(Please take note that I do not believe everything this site teaches; Nor do I believe music is wrong just because it uses an electric guitar. I merely agree with this portion of the article).
In light of the Word of God does it not follow to reason that true godly music that worships and exalts the Lord Jesus Christ will be rejected by the world? Music that calls people to repentance, holiness, separation, and total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ will not be popular in the eyes of a Christ-rejecting world.
Now what is the purpose of music? Music has two purposes: 1) to worship and glorify God; 2) To edify and build up Christians. The Word of God says: "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord" (Eph 5:19). "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord" (Col 3:16).
Heavy Metal really doesn't do that. It's aggressive in spirit and it is not full of grace.
RELIGIOUS ROCK... The music of devils in the CHURCH!!!
(Please take note that I do not believe everything this site teaches; Nor do I believe music is wrong just because it uses an electric guitar. I merely agree with this portion of the article).
Well! Since I know nothing about music, since I know nothing about Christianity, I should be modelled to this type of music, solely:https://youtu.be/3ElL8hdQD_4 Atleast, 300 years before too many things changed, this music was in (and TOO popular?)I don´t think angels, in heavens, enjoyed being BORED, by the way.
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mwc68,
This song saved a person. It brought them to their knees when all the religion didn't work.
And for the record, its right up my alley and I love the style and music vocals!
https://youtu.be/_ri96lDMe7E
This song saved a person. It brought them to their knees when all the religion didn't work.
And for the record, its right up my alley and I love the style and music vocals!
https://youtu.be/_ri96lDMe7E